Groton CT PPP

[kortopates]

At the PPP

 

 

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[201er]

Same day as the Mooney Summit?

[kortopates]

6 hours ago, 201er said:

Same day as the Mooney Summit?

Yes, same weekend as the Summit this year.

Now at our next one at Branson in October we're doing our Mooney PPP in conjunction with Mooney Max, same hotel same banquet for dinner. The PPP overlaps with the last 2 days of the Mooney Max event. 

[201er]

Do you retract gear or flaps first at PPP during go-arounds in Mooneys?

[kortopates]

Depends on the airframe but i am taking the 5th on this. Join us and see for yourself.

But i’ll share that with one Ovation student we did the demo to measure drag on his airframe and the gear created a significantly more amount of drag over full flaps but he preferred the lighter stick forces in the Go Around following the POH method.


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[Mark89114]

Where is the diversity?????  Just kidding people relax.

 

Bring the gear up first.

[kortopates]

1 hour ago, Mark89114 said:

Just kidding people relax.

I couldn't agree more. Although these discussions can be enlightening I feel we're mostly missing the the most important thing. No matter what procedure you use its clear folks aren't practicing the procedure enough because we keep seeing fatal accidents from what should be well practiced go around procedures. Such as the Cirrus last week that didn't have a gear to mess with but got to slow leading the all to common loss of control and then accelerated stall turning. Regardless of how comfortable we are in our landings we need to regularly practice a Go Around like everything else! 

On another related topic I was reminded discussing this with another longbody pilot is the use of rudder trim. I encourage longbody pilot to forego use of Rudder trim on takeoff and save it for the long climb after initial takeoff. But when every takeoff is done with rudder trim then the Go Around is doubly hard and much easier to get into trouble from not being practiced at using adequate rudder while climbing and high power on  a GA. On the other hand pilots that already have the rudder skills at takeoff have an easier time with the GA.

[Brandt]

1 hour ago, Mark89114 said:

Where is the diversity?????  Just kidding people relax.

 

Bring the gear up first.

I’m just taking pride in the fact that Cirrus pilots can’t have this argument….