Which remote Garmin ADSB to Legacy G1000

[drstephensugiono]

Potentially buying 2007 Acclaim with a legacy G1000 and it has NO ADSB or WAAS.

1. Which quickest remote garmin system would you add to be ADSB compliant ?

2. GIA63W still the only way to WAAS?

[Schllc]

Only one transponder that I know of which is the 345r. 
gia63w is the only path to waas. You will have to find salvage ones. 
they are out there regularly, you just have to be vigilant and willing to pay. 
they will be 10-12k each. Plus install and the new garmin software. 

[drstephensugiono]

Only one transponder that I know of which is the 345r. 
gia63w is the only path to waas. You will have to find salvage ones. 
they are out there regularly, you just have to be vigilant and willing to pay. 
they will be 10-12k each. Plus install and the new garmin software. 

So would the G1000NXi be a better route?


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[Schllc]

1 minute ago, drstephensugiono said:

So would the G1000NXi be a better route?


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It is not an option yet. 

[drstephensugiono]

It is not an option yet. 

Oh Boy !


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[Schllc]

Obtaining the boxes is challenging, but possible.  I have done it three times.

there are only two versions of the boxes that work with the Mooney, so make sure you get the right ones. Brian Kendrick, or Paul Maxwell are the only two I would go to for this mod. In fact, Paul may have some waas boxes. There are several specific things, procedurally that have to be done correctly for it to go smooth. I’m sure most avionic shops can do it, but they will fumble around with trial and error before accomplishing so it could take a while and likely cost more than the two I mentioned. 
 

[drstephensugiono]

Obtaining the boxes is challenging. It possible.  I have done it three times.
there are only two versions of the boxes that work with the Mooney, so make sure you get the right ones. Brian Kendrick, or Paul Maxwell are the in,y two I would go to for this mod. In fact, Paul may have some waas boxes. There are several specific things, procedurally that have to be done correctly for it to go smooth. I’m sure most avionic shops can do it, but they will fumble around with trial and error before accomplishing so it could fake a while and likely cost more than the two I mentioned. 
 

Oh boy! Plane is out of the country


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[midlifeflyer]

58 minutes ago, drstephensugiono said:

So would the G1000NXi be a better route?

 

As mentioned, not available.  If you are not experienced with them, something to know about the G1000 generally. These are not add-on units in the sense of G5, GI275, G500 G3X, Aspen, Dynon, or other glass. Garmin issues a firmware or software or hardware upgrade and, if you got the dough you’re good to go. 

The G1000 OTOH is a system which is OEM and in which the airframe manufacturer has a huge say about content and updates and upgrades. The result is that an old G1000 might have very limited upgrade or update options.  In most any type group, including this one, you can find posts complaining about this. And the excitement when one is overcome. 

Back on topic… like others, the one I see most is the 345R transponder. 

[drstephensugiono]

As mentioned, not available.  If you are not experienced with them, something to know about the G1000 generally. These are not add-on units in the sense of G5, GI275, G500 G3X, Aspen, Dynon, or other glass. Garmin issues a firmware or software or hardware upgrade and, if you got the dough you’re good to go. 
The G1000 OTOH is a system which is OEM and in which the airframe manufacturer has a huge say about content and updates and upgrades. The result is that an old G1000 might have very limited upgrade or update options.  In most any type group, including this one, you can find posts complaining about this. And the excitement when one is overcome. 
Back on topic… like others, the one I see most is the 345R transponder. 

Limitations definitely!


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[LANCECASPER]

9 hours ago, drstephensugiono said:

Potentially buying 2007 Acclaim with a legacy G1000 and it has NO ADSB or WAAS.

1. Which quickest remote garmin system would you add to be ADSB compliant ?

2. GIA63W still the only way to WAAS?

If it's out of the country it's priced that way for a reason. By the time you pay a ferry pilot to bring it here, after you go over and inspect it and supervise a pre-buy, plus have the GTX-345R and the WAAS boxes installed, you're better off to buy one here that has those items already. (A WAAS upgrade at Maxwell, assuming they have the boxes, by the time you get it up to the latest software version will cost you roughly $35,000. A GTX-345R installed at the same time will set you back another $9000.)

Although one without these things may appear like a great deal, if they didn't upgrade when WAAS became available and was much more reasonable, what else have they been too cheap to maintain? A "cheap" Acclaim might not feel that way after getting all of the deferred maintenance caught up.

[drstephensugiono]

If it's out of the country it's priced that way for a reason. By the time you pay a ferry pilot to bring it here, after you go over and inspect it and supervise a pre-buy, plus have the GTX-345R and the WAAS boxes installed, you're better off to buy one here that has those items already.
Although one without these things may appear like a great deal, if they didn't upgrade when WAAS became available and was much more reasonable, what else have they been too cheap to maintain? A "cheap" Acclaim might not feel that way after getting all of the deferred maintenance caught up.

Maintenance is superb because they are strict BIT the Avionics part is lacking and only mode C only required


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[PaulM]

You can make the system ADSB compliant with a 335R (WAAS)  or 345R (WAAS).   This will need either a GPS duplexer or another GPS antenna added to feed the WAAS GPS in the 3X5R. 

You do not have to upgrade the GIA33 to GIA63W's... that is only required for the latest software versions and LPV approaches. 

Now, I feel that the update to GIA63W is worth the $$ I did that and installed a 345R at the same time for ADSB compliance.    Today, the choice would be for the 3X5RD (duplex) for space based ADSB compliance. 

[MatthiasArnold]

7 hours ago, Schllc said:

there are only two versions of the boxes that work with the Mooney

Revisions -1 and -20 .. see other threads on MS. 

[Aerodon]

Just asking, would a GTX345R with an internal GPS controlled by a GI-275 MFD work?  Complete standalone system?  Replace the comm antenna with a combined GPS com antenna?

Or one of the wingtip / tail mounted ADSB out systems?

 

Don

 

 

[Schllc]

You do not need the waas boxes to get Adsb, you can install the 345r with the waas capability. But be aware this only provides waas for the Adsb, it does not provide waas for navigation. And no, the 275 will not provide legal waas to the g1000

[drstephensugiono]

Obtaining the boxes is challenging. It possible.  I have done it three times.
there are only two versions of the boxes that work with the Mooney, so make sure you get the right ones. Brian Kendrick, or Paul Maxwell are the in,y two I would go to for this mod. In fact, Paul may have some waas boxes. There are several specific things, procedurally that have to be done correctly for it to go smooth. I’m sure most avionic shops can do it, but they will fumble around with trial and error before accomplishing so it could fake a while and likely cost more than the two I mentioned. 
 

There are 2 GIA63W on eBay at a tune of approximately $30k. I don’t know if it’s compatible, like you said.
What would Mooney Aircraft and Garmin have to do to certify a G1000Xi??
I have a “Bravo” with a KLN94 and I don’t even do much IFR and I’ve absolutely loved the plane for 31 years and hate to sell it but I can’t have a Bravo and an Acclaim!


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[LANCECASPER]

20 minutes ago, drstephensugiono said:

There are 2 GIA63W on eBay at a tune of approximately $30k. I don’t know if it’s compatible, like you said.
What would Mooney Aircraft and Garmin have to do to certify a G1000Xi??
I have a “Bravo” with a KLN94 and I don’t even do much IFR and I’ve absolutely loved the plane for 31 years and hate to sell it but I can’t have a Bravo and an Acclaim!


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Only the GIA63W with an -01 or a -20 suffix are compatible with the system in the Mooney.

There has been much discussion on here about the G1000 NXi. Mooney has to initiate it and pay for it.

Figures have been thrown around as far as what Mooney would have to invest. I've heard $200,000 plus whatever outstanding money that Mooney already owes Garmin.

[drstephensugiono]

Only the GIA63W with an -01 or a -20 suffix are compatible with the system in the Mooney.
There has been much discussion on here about the G1000 NXi. Mooney has to initiate it and pay for it.
Figures have been thrown around as far as what Mooney would have to invest. I've heard $200,000 plus whatever outstanding money that Mooney already owes Garmin.

Then it wouldn’t work because those ones for sale are – 30 and – 40.


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[Schllc]

The -20’s also preferably should not come out a diamond. 
Some have had issues getting them to work in the Mooney. 
I did not know this and the ones I got last time were from a Diamond.  I got lucky and they worked,  but others have not been as successful. 

[drstephensugiono]

Only the GIA63W with an -01 or a -20 suffix are compatible with the system in the Mooney.
There has been much discussion on here about the G1000 NXi. Mooney has to initiate it and pay for it.
Figures have been thrown around as far as what Mooney would have to invest. I've heard $200,000 plus whatever outstanding money that Mooney already owes Garmin.

Is the G1000 discussion in the Avionics section?


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[LANCECASPER]

8 minutes ago, drstephensugiono said:

Is the G1000 discussion in the Avionics section?
 

Search for whatever you're looking for. Here's are 133 pages searching for "G1000":

https://mooneyspace.com/search/?q=G1000&quick=1

Here are the results for "G1000 NXi":

https://mooneyspace.com/search/?q="G1000 Nxi"&quick=1&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy

[M20F]

15 hours ago, LANCECASPER said:

Search for whatever you're looking for. Here's are 133 pages searching for "G1000":

Wouldn’t  it make more sense just upgrade to a G1000NXi?

[LANCECASPER]

6 hours ago, M20F said:

Wouldn’t  it make more sense just upgrade to a G1000NXi?

Perhaps, but it's not available as an upgrade for a legacy Mooney G1000.

If it was available, what you would gain would be a somewhat better resolution screen, a faster processor and the ability to transfer flight plans via Connext.

Recently some owners and techs have made it possible to use a Garmin Flightstream 210 with the legacy G1000 to transfer flight plans via Connext. This upgrade is less than 10% of what it would cost to upgrade to an NXi if it was available.

[exM20K]

19 hours ago, drstephensugiono said:

I have a “Bravo” with a KLN94 and I don’t even do much IFR and I’ve absolutely loved the plane for 31 years and hate to sell it but I can’t have a Bravo and an Acclaim!

I don’t know if I’d go through the cost and aggravation to go Bravo -> Acclaim. Transaction costs, catch up maintenance, downtime, etc are significant, especially if importing a non-WAAS plane. The acclaim is faster and has longer legs, but unless your 90% mission needs the range, the trip time will be similar.  In Illinois, where my plane is registered, sales tax alone would be the better part of $30,000, and unless you can run a trade through the seller’s balance sheet, sales tax is collected on the purchase price, not the delta.
 

In your shoes, I’d take the money and do a modern Garmin autopilot and panel.

I got WAAS-compliant with a 330-ES transponder, which was maybe half or a third the cost of a 335. It won’t do ADS-B in, but I don’t care.  While out of production, you probably could find one.

-dan

[donkaye, MCFI]

You can get a Mooney with the G1000Nxi.  You just have to buy the Acclaim M20V.  I've flown and taught in all models of Acclaims, and while they are fast and fun to fly, upgrading your M20M with all the avionics you ever dreamed of having is the way to go in my opinion.  You could put your dream avionics in and still be all in for half the cost of an Acclaim.  The only reason you would buy a regular Acclaim would be for the extra speed, and for most trips the time saved isn't that much.  Or am I missing something?