Never thought it'd be just too darn hot to fly, then summer came.

[McMooney]

I"m guessing it isn't just me,  all the independent CFI's i've contacted want to wait till Sept/Oct before helping me with my commerical

[Pinecone]

5 hours ago, Hank said:

Your 113° with 5% humidity is much nicer than our 113° with 70%+ humidity. The sweat drips off of you  in literally a couple of minutes. 

The heat index, also known as the apparent temperature, is what the temperature feels like to the human body when relative humidity is combined with the air temperature. 

[dlthig]

115 today. When I was at Laughlin AFB I would ride at 100 or less. No problem. Still CHS is better than the line from JAN-MGM-CSG-MCN-AGS-CAE-CLT. Too far from the water for any moderating and still not enough elevation or latitude. The pine trees sweat. Get up early and all is well around 8000'. Enjoy the 4th. 

[N201MKTurbo]

I just looked up the “real feel temperature” and it is 2 degrees lower than the actual temperature. 
 

I think the whole thing is crooked.

[aviatoreb]

6 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Back in 02 I did a marathon skate race in Tahiti iti French Polynesia. It was 90 deg F and 90% humidity. I thought I was going to die of heat stroke. This racer Eddie Metzger did the race wearing nothing but a speedo and a straw hat. I was wearing a full  body racing suit. Eddie was much smarter than I was. It is amazing how much insulation 0.01" of spandex provides. Some of the locals would spray you with a garden hose. Now you were just hot and wet, no cooling whatsoever.

No way - I used to know him a bit!  I was a (crappy) roller blade racer in Boulder back when he lived there too in the mid 1990s - I knew him in Boulder - then one time when I was in Amsterdam hitting all the local ice speed skating venues, I ran into Eddie on a tram and he sat down next to me and we were amazed to run into each other!

[firelog1101]

On 6/16/2023 at 5:05 PM, MikeOH said:

The company I worked for at the time had a factory in Mexicali and I was needed to support a production start up. So, not yet an aircraft owner, I rented a Mooney ( what else!) and flew down to Calexico (directly across the border from Mexicali) EARLY one fine summer morning. Well, come time for the return trip it was 125F in the shade….and the plane was NOT tied down in the shade

I nearly burned my hands off doing the pre-flight but the real fun started when I climbed inside what was now an Easy-Bake oven; I have no idea what the temp was…. I immediately began sweating at some level way past profusely! Shirt was already soaked front and back from the pre-flight, but now sweat beads formed all over my face and forehead and all began dripping simultaneously into my eyes and all over the chart in my lap.

Naturally, the wind was such that I had to taxi the near 5,000 foot runway length before departing.  Let’s just say that was the one time I did a less than a proper run-up!

 I was much younger and, I like to think, considerably dumber, but in hindsight I was probably pushing a case of heat stroke. The prudent thing would have been to spend the night in enticing <sarcasm> Calexico and left the next morning ( was not night current)

NEVER again.

I grew UP in El Centro, summer is not my favorite time to visit that is for sure!!

[N201MKTurbo]

56 minutes ago, aviatoreb said:

No way - I used to know him a bit!  I was a (crappy) roller blade racer in Boulder back when he lived there too in the mid 1990s - I knew him in Boulder - then one time when I was in Amsterdam hitting all the local ice speed skating venues, I ran into Eddie on a tram and he sat down next to me and we were amazed to run into each other!

Oh, crap, I met up with him on many occasions. Haven’t seen him in years. I haven’t been competitive on skates since 2006. Our club was once (arguably) the largest skate club in the country (the Predator Speed Club) He used to come out and visit our club a couple of times a year. He was good friends with the head of our club, but we always had a party for any occasion, like Eddy coming to town. We weren’t close friends, but he knew who I was, back in the day.

I just got a new set of Bont wheels and bearings on Friday. I should go do 20 or 30 miles tomorrow.

I actually googled him this morning. He is 54 and just won a marathon in Thailand.

BTW, I used to do some work for NIST in Boulder. I would always take my slates and hit your paths. I ran into a few speed skaters on the path, maybe we ran into each other once.

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, aviatoreb said:

No way - I used to know him a bit!  I was a (crappy) roller blade racer in Boulder back when he lived there too in the mid 1990s - I knew him in Boulder - then one time when I was in Amsterdam hitting all the local ice speed skating venues, I ran into Eddie on a tram and he sat down next to me and we were amazed to run into each other!

My best marathon time was 1:23:23 at Duluth. It ended up being 4th in my age group, so I’ve never got on the podium at Duluth. But it did qualify me to skate in the open class for 3 years. 2006 was the last time I skated Duluth. If you Google the start of the race I had my chest on the starting rope second from the left, with 8000 skaters behind me. I had no business skating in that class in 06, but I held my own for about 10 miles. Ended up finishing at about 1:35.

[Pinecone]

3 hours ago, dlthig said:

115 today. When I was at Laughlin AFB I would ride at 100 or less. No problem. Still CHS is better than the line from JAN-MGM-CSG-MCN-AGS-CAE-CLT. Too far from the water for any moderating and still not enough elevation or latitude. The pine trees sweat. Get up early and all is well around 8000'. Enjoy the 4th. 

When were you at Laughlin and why?

[Pinecone]

2 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I just looked up the “real feel temperature” and it is 2 degrees lower than the actual temperature. 
 

I think the whole thing is crooked.

That happens when the humidity is low.

[GaryP1007]

116 Phoenix Sky Harbor today.


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[dlthig]

8 hours ago, Pinecone said:

When were you at Laughlin and why?

UPT 98-13

Lamar Thigpen. Do we know each other? 

[aviatoreb]

11 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Oh, crap, I met up with him on many occasions. Haven’t seen him in years. I haven’t been competitive on skates since 2006. Our club was once (arguably) the largest skate club in the country (the Predator Speed Club) He used to come out and visit our club a couple of times a year. He was good friends with the head of our club, but we always had a party for any occasion, like Eddy coming to town. We weren’t close friends, but he knew who I was, back in the day.

I just got a new set of Bont wheels and bearings on Friday. I should go do 20 or 30 miles tomorrow.

I actually googled him this morning. He is 54 and just won a marathon in Thailand.

BTW, I used to do some work for NIST in Boulder. I would always take my slates and hit your paths. I ran into a few speed skaters on the path, maybe we ran into each other once.

WOW - small world eh?  Well I wouldn't say we were close friends - but we knew each other well enough that running into each other on a tram in Amsterdam - so out of context- we instantly knew who each other were.

When were you at NIST?  I was a PhD student at Boulder in the 1990s and mostly a bike racer, and track cycling, but I dabbled in speed skating ice and rollers.  The closest to slippery feet - I still XC ski most day in the winter.  I have my old skate stuff, ice and also long wheel rollers that bolt onto old school my bonts, but haven't skated in many years.  And my short track blades I bent with a hammer.  But I did meet my wife in the speed skating club!  And we are still married 29 years later.  :-)

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, aviatoreb said:

WOW - small world eh?  Well I wouldn't say we were close friends - but we knew each other well enough that running into each other on a tram in Amsterdam - so out of context- we instantly knew who each other were.

When were you at NIST?  I was a PhD student at Boulder in the 1990s and mostly a bike racer, and track cycling, but I dabbled in speed skating ice and rollers.  The closest to slippery feet - I still XC ski most day in the winter.  I have my old skate stuff, ice and also long wheel rollers that bolt onto old school my bonts, but haven't skated in many years.  And my short track blades I bent with a hammer.  But I did meet my wife in the speed skating club!  And we are still married 29 years later.  :-)

I wrote the software to run the national DC voltage standard. That was around 98-02 on and off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephson_voltage_standard

I just googled myself with the NISTVolt software and found a citation from 1993, so I was working on it longer than I remember. I would fly the Mooney up there about once a year or so to test any changes I made in the software. The NIST thing was just a side gig.

[aviatoreb]

4 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I wrote the software to run the national DC voltage standard. That was around 98-02 on and off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephson_voltage_standard

I just googled myself with the NISTVolt software and found a citation from 1993, so I was working on it longer than I remember. I would fly the Mooney up there about once a year or so to test any changes I made in the software. The NIST thing was just a side gig.

I was there 90-95.

[N201MKTurbo]

7 minutes ago, aviatoreb said:

I was there 90-95.

But, I didn’t start skating till 98.

[EricJ]

49 minutes ago, aviatoreb said:

I was there 90-95.

Did you know Roger Marks?   I think he was there at that time.   I knew him from IEEE standards work.

[N201MKTurbo]

27 minutes ago, EricJ said:

Did you know Roger Marks?   I think he was there at that time.   I knew him from IEEE standards work.

I don’t think Erik worked at NIST, he was at the university.

As for me, I don’t recall the name, I worked with Clark Hamilton, Charlie Boroughs and YeHua Tang. 
 

I just looked up Roger Marks he did the WI-FI stuff, that would have been a different floor the guys I worked with were down in the basement. They had a fab  so they could make their JJ array chips and labs to make the cryo equipment and run it. 

[EricJ]

2 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I just looked up Roger Marks he did the WI-FI stuff, that would have been a different floor the guys I worked with were down in the basement. They had a fab  so they could make their JJ array chips and labs to make the cryo equipment and run it. 

Roger was Working Group chair for IEEE 802.16, aka Wi-Max.   Wi-Fi is IEEE 802.11.   I worked in both, but I think Roger was primarily in 802.16.   I think he was a career NIST guy, which I thought was pretty cool.  

[N201MKTurbo]

2 hours ago, EricJ said:

Roger was Working Group chair for IEEE 802.16, aka Wi-Max.   Wi-Fi is IEEE 802.11.   I worked in both, but I think Roger was primarily in 802.16.   I think he was a career NIST guy, which I thought was pretty cool.  

I probably sepen 6-7 days there altogether. It is like Disneyland for a guy like me. they have all the cool toys. A total geek factory and some of the smartest people you will ever meet. And for me they would spend the whole day explaining what they do in great detail. I was in heaven. 

[aviatoreb]

6 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

But, I didn’t start skating till 98.

Darn!  You woulda seen me on the bike path round about 93-95.

[aviatoreb]

5 hours ago, EricJ said:

Did you know Roger Marks?   I think he was there at that time.   I knew him from IEEE standards work.

Im afraid not - I was just a kid - a grad student in applied math at the university.

[donkaye]

I flew to Phoenix Commercial on July 2 to help a new student bring his newly purchased Acclaim Ultra back to Hayward.  I knew there was a small window of opportunity to do it in one day.  I planned to be off the ground by 11:00.  Problems with the airplane shut that down.  By 12:00 it was already 108°.  The performance Charts end at 110°  I let him know we weren't going that day.  In the Acclaim accident 4 years ago the temperatures were in this vicinity.  Luckily, there was a Best Western across the street from Atlantic and a good,  though expensive, restaurant next door.  As bad as California is politically, just walking to the hotel and restaurant by Scottsdale reminded me why I wouldn't want to live in the Phoenix area.  How do you guys do it?

We were off the ground at 6:00 am the next morning in "cool" conditions (that's a joke) when the tower opened and were back in Hayward a little over 3 hours later.  Had a nice little tail wind of 10 knots going west and were truing out at around 235 Kts. at 14,000 feet.   Went out IFR to avoid the Phoenix Airspace issues.  Cancelled at Blythe.  Beautiful flight back.

 

[Greg Ellis]

10 hours ago, donkaye said:

Had a nice little tail wind of 10 knots going west and were truing out at around 235 Kts. at 14,000 feet.   

 

I'm not ashamed to say....I'm a little envious.  I was always taught to not be envious of what someone else has but who cannot be a little envious of this....

[N201MKTurbo]

11 hours ago, donkaye said:

I flew to Phoenix Commercial on July 2 to help a new student bring his newly purchased Acclaim Ultra back to Hayward.  I knew there was a small window of opportunity to do it in one day.  I planned to be off the ground by 11:00.  Problems with the airplane shut that down.  By 12:00 it was already 108°.  The performance Charts end at 110°  I let him know we weren't going that day.  In the Acclaim accident 4 years ago the temperatures were in this vicinity.  Luckily, there was a Best Western across the street from Atlantic and a good,  though expensive, restaurant next door.  As bad as California is politically, just walking to the hotel and restaurant by Scottsdale reminded me why I wouldn't want to live in the Phoenix area.  How do you guys do it?

We were off the ground at 6:00 am the next morning in "cool" conditions (that's a joke) when the tower opened and were back in Hayward a little over 3 hours later.  Had a nice little tail wind of 10 knots going west and were truing out at around 235 Kts. at 14,000 feet.   Went out IFR to avoid the Phoenix Airspace issues.  Cancelled at Blythe.  Beautiful flight back.

 

You have to remember this is our bad time of the year, like the dead of winter most places. We have to deal with it. But there are about 8 months where it is beautiful here. 
 

FWIW, I took my ATP checkride on a day as hot as the 2nd at 2:00 in the afternoon. Well, not quite, it was 115 when I took my checkride it got to 116 on Monday.