Covid and resumption of flight

[Danb]

For curiosities sake how long have those who recovered from Covid did they resume flying, I’m asking for a friend 

[Fly Boomer]

1 minute ago, Danb said:

For curiosities sake how long have those who recovered from Covid did they resume flying, I’m asking for a friend 

"Recover" may not mean the same thing to all who had COVID.

[Rick Junkin]

I waited one week after symptoms went away.

[exM20K]

IMSAFE, just as with any other Illness / flight

-dan

[ilovecornfields]

There’s a Crashtalk thread on Beechtalk about a guy who came back a little too soon from COVID and landed gear up. If you’re not back to 100%, I wouldn’t fly. Any when you do, watch the pulse ox.

[icurnmedic]

1 week. No problems, but didn’t get very sick anyway. 
‘I echo the if not 100%, don’t risk it. 

[Hank]

6 hours ago, icurnmedic said:

‘I echo the if not 100%, don’t risk it. 

This applies to every flight, every day.

[201er]

On 12/19/2022 at 4:51 PM, Danb said:

For curiosities sake how long have those who recovered from Covid did they resume flying, I’m asking for a friend 

How did “your friend” manage to get Covid after like 15 boosters? How is “your friend” doing now?

[Fly Boomer]

6 hours ago, 201er said:

How did “your friend” manage to get Covid after like 15 boosters? How is “your friend” doing now?

Just as another data point, now that I have started going to doctors again, I ask each one if they have been able to avoid it.  Most say they have had it once or twice, and they are manic about boosters, masks, hand washing, etc.  The more recent variants are apparently way more contagious than the initial entrants to the game.

[Tony Starke]

8 hours ago, 201er said:

How did “your friend” manage to get Covid after like 15 boosters? How is “your friend” doing now?

Are you saying that the vaccine possibly doesn’t work? Come on man. Repeat after me “safe and effective”

[Urs_Wildermuth]

9 hours ago, 201er said:

How did “your friend” manage to get Covid after like 15 boosters?

We got it too, after 2 vaccinations and 1 booster. However, total non event. 2 days a bit off, 3 days wait out the quarantine and retest, done. Was not during flying season but I guess one week after would have been ok. I had two workmates who refused vaccination and got seriously sick, one was off work for 2 months, the other for 6 weeks, in the same time period as we got it in early 2022.

On the opposite, some of our relatives live(d) in one of the countries where only 20% of the people got vaccinated due to inherent distrust to everything any government will say. Well. My mother in law is the only survivor in her age group in a block of flats where she lived for over 50 years. All her neighbours of similar age died, 8 of them within a week. She did not knowingly get it but was vaccinated on schedule. We lost several relatives, the youngest of which 29 years of age. Similarily, in a village we often stay in summer, I got one of my friends to get vaccinated and boostered. That winter, the village got ravaged by Covid. He was one of the few who could be up and about all the time and help. All in all, during the whole time since the start of the pandemic, we lost some 50 people we knew to Covid. Sure, some were elderly, but most of them would be alive today without Covid. About 10 of them died before vaccinations were out here in Switzerland, the rest died when they could have gotten vaccinated but chose to believe FUD spread by conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers. Not one of the people we knew who died was vaccinated.

I got my 4th shot a few weeks ago. I never suffered any side effects. Currently, quite a few people at work and elsewhere are sick on and off. Nobody is testing anymore. By now Covid has spread sufficiently for it to become endemic in those countries where it did spread.

That you can't get Covid once vaccinated was a misconception. The goal was to prepare the body for the virus so that severe illnesses and hospitalisation could be avoided and of course reduce the quota of deaths.

 

 

 

[Fly Boomer]

38 minutes ago, Urs_Wildermuth said:

We got it too, after 2 vaccinations and 1 booster. However, total non event. 2 days a bit off, 3 days wait out the quarantine and retest, done. Was not during flying season but I guess one week after would have been ok. I had two workmates who refused vaccination and got seriously sick, one was off work for 2 months, the other for 6 weeks, in the same time period as we got it in early 2022.

On the opposite, some of our relatives live(d) in one of the countries where only 20% of the people got vaccinated due to inherent distrust to everything any government will say. Well. My mother in law is the only survivor in her age group in a block of flats where she lived for over 50 years. All her neighbours of similar age died, 8 of them within a week. She did not knowingly get it but was vaccinated on schedule. We lost several relatives, the youngest of which 29 years of age. Similarily, in a village we often stay in summer, I got one of my friends to get vaccinated and boostered. That winter, the village got ravaged by Covid. He was one of the few who could be up and about all the time and help. All in all, during the whole time since the start of the pandemic, we lost some 50 people we knew to Covid. Sure, some were elderly, but most of them would be alive today without Covid. About 10 of them died before vaccinations were out here in Switzerland, the rest died when they could have gotten vaccinated but chose to believe FUD spread by conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers. Not one of the people we knew who died was vaccinated.

I got my 4th shot a few weeks ago. I never suffered any side effects. Currently, quite a few people at work and elsewhere are sick on and off. Nobody is testing anymore. By now Covid has spread sufficiently for it to become endemic in those countries where it did spread.

That you can't get Covid once vaccinated was a misconception. The goal was to prepare the body for the virus so that severe illnesses and hospitalisation could be avoided and of course reduce the quota of deaths.

 

 

 

Latest statistics in the US show holding fairly steady at 400 COVID deaths per day.  Way better than the thousands of deaths per day we were suffering a while back, but still sucks if you are one of the 400.  And it is not a quick and painless death.

[Shadrach]

1 hour ago, Fly Boomer said:

Latest statistics in the US show holding fairly steady at 400 COVID deaths per day.  Way better than the thousands of deaths per day we were suffering a while back, but still sucks if you are one of the 400.  And it is not a quick and painless death.

Yes well we’re doing a lot of things differently now then we were back then. Unfortunately, many of the most vulnerable we’re lost early in the pandemic.

[ilovecornfields]

Someone must be having a pretty Crappy Christmas to bring this stuff up again.

Get a shot. Or don’t. Wear a mask. Or don’t. At this point, I don’t really care. The information is out there but as we keep rediscovering, no one really cares about facts. They just want their echo chamber that tells them what they want to hear and makes them feel smart for acting dumb.

If we’re taking about personal experiences, I’ve never had COVID. Just got my bivalent booster last week. I’m not ferromagnetic and didn’t grow a third testicle. Just had a sore arm.

I’ve also never seen someone who was vaccinated for the flu or COVID die from it. I know it happens, but that’s not my experience. I’ve seen plenty of unvaccinated people die from both.

If you don’t get a shot and get the flu, you probably won’t die. If you didn’t get vaccinated and get COVID you probably won’t die either. If you drink two shots of whiskey, pour gasoline on yourself and go fly around at night you also probably won’t die. I guess that means they’re all smart choices.

[A64Pilot]

If covid deaths are still being counted as they were a year or more ago it’s a stretch to conclude covid was the cause of death as any respiratory issues were coded as covid, and many particularly elderly have always had respiratory issues at the time of death. I’m not saying that was nefarious just at the time the facilities etc didn’t exist to test each person who died, covid patients etc were overwhelming the system. I don’t know how covid deaths are being counted now though.

It seems logical though to compare the death rate before and after the pandemic, if there is an increase it would seem logical that it may be due to covid.

But I don’t know if the death rate is higher or not.

I quit worrying about the covid thing long ago, way past time to get on with life.

I don’t know if there is any difference, beyond common sense measures that you ought to be taking anyway, I don’t worry about covid anymore that I worry about  say cancer because I don’t see how I can affect whether I develop either

From it’s beginning I’ve thought covid to be similar to the flu, most scoffed at that saying it’s nothing like the flu, covid is serious, well the flu is too, most who say they have the flu, don’t.

Flu, common cold etc you can’t effectively vaccinate for, it mutates too often, I believe covid is similar.

The covid vaccine was hoped to eradicate covid just as has been done with so many other pandemics from Polio to Yellow Fever, Measles etc. it wasn’t developed to lessen the effect of covid, and it’s a tough case to make that it has, perhaps covid isn’t as virulent as it started out to be, that’s often the case of a virus, that it mutates into a less virulent strain. A quick google finds some evidence that an imperfect vaccine could be harmful, by the way these aren’t some nut job links. It seems these were published long before covid, so they aren’t in response to it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663389/

I’m no Dr and don’t pretend to be, but it’s interesting that there are so many different opinions of those that are, and I’ve not heard that about different vaccines.

‘Perhaps ther are vaccines, and then there are vaccines, meaning some are very different than others.

I have probably been vaccinated at a much higher rate than normal as I’ve had the full anthrax series, and all kinds of abnormal vaccinations like for bubonic plague etc as I was “world wide deployable” for much of my Military career, so I’m not necessarily anti vax, without vaccinations it’s likely many of us would have had to bury our children, and I can’t think of anything worse, so I’m very much pro vaccination.

But yes covid has been endemic for quite a long time, at this time there isn’t really anything that can be done about it, like the flu. Anything that helps prevent the flu transmission, good hygiene etc. is likely to help prevent the spread of covid.

I’ve been sick at least once during the pandemic, which in my opinion is over, but never got tested, what would be the point? Unless you get real sick was there any difference in treatment? Just like any sickness it makes sense to stay home.

I use to send people home from work who were acting very sick, I’d tell them go home for God’s sake, don’t play Typhoid Mary and make us all sick. That was years before covid.

Whatever you have had does it matter for flying? Don’t fly if there is any symptoms. It’s just like weather, if you wondering if you should fly in this weather or not, the answer is no, so if your wondering if your too sick to fly, the answer is yes.

[Shadrach]

IMSAFE, self assessment just like any other flight. One thing that can be said definitively about all Covid variants thus far is that the spectrum and severity of symptoms differs greatly by individual. Given that’s the case, there is no definitive “one-size-fits-all“ answer to the OP‘s question. I have had both alpha and omicron variants. Alpha presented with odd but non-debilitating symptoms like mild body aches and loss of smell but no respiratory or fever symptoms. It had almost no effect on my ability to do things. During the height of my infection I reroofed part of my woodshed, split two cords of wood and went deer hunting three mornings in a row. My dad (who gave it to me) was 82 at the time faired a little worse but not by much. However, that same strain in our chain of infection flattened some folks for a week or more. Omicron (the “mild” one) was less mild for me than Alfa but was essentially a medium grade cold. The RSV strain that was going around earlier this year was horrible for me and hit me way harder than either Covid infection. It felt relentless.

[ilovecornfields]

17 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

If covid deaths are still being counted as they were a year or more ago it’s a stretch to conclude covid was the cause of death as any respiratory issues were coded as covid

Please share with me your expertise on the subject that makes you so comfortable making a statement like that. Are you a doctor?.Are you a medical coder? Epidemiologist? Did you treat COVID patients?

This is why we can’t have a dialogue about this subject. People just make things up to support whatever they’re trying to say and then people just repeat it because it supports what they want to believe. Why bother fact-checking when you can make up your own facts?

I didn’t read the rest of your post. I’m not going to because you don’t know what you’re talking about and don’t have the insight to realize this.

[N201MKTurbo]

Two years ago I was getting criticized for my COVID beliefs, and for the last year I have been principal engineer on a new better COVID tester. Actually it will find practically anything, but we usually validate the process with SARS-CoV-2 because we have government grants for that. I once held a tube of the live stuff.

[ilovecornfields]

7 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Two years ago I was getting criticized for my COVID beliefs, and for the last year I have been principal engineer on a new better COVID tester. Actually it will find practically anything, but we usually validate the process with SARS-CoV-2 because we have government grants for that. I once held a tube of the live stuff.

Sorry about that. That was a rough time for me. Is it better than the COVID sniffing dogs?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dogs-sniff-out-covid-19-with-surprising-accuracy-180980203/

[A64Pilot]

37 minutes ago, ilovecornfields said:

Please share with me your expertise on the subject that makes you so comfortable making a statement like that. Are you a doctor?.Are you a medical coder? Epidemiologist? Did you treat COVID patients?

This is why we can’t have a dialogue about this subject. People just make things up to support whatever they’re trying to say and then people just repeat it because it supports what they want to believe. Why bother fact-checking when you can make up your own facts?

I didn’t read the rest of your post. I’m not going to because you don’t know what you’re talking about and don’t have the insight to realize this.

Read here under cause of death classification, or perhaps they also made it up? Might want to read the rest of my post. About the first hit with Google, I’m sure there are many others

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/tech_notes.htm

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, ilovecornfields said:

Sorry about that. That was a rough time for me. Is it better than the COVID sniffing dogs?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dogs-sniff-out-covid-19-with-surprising-accuracy-180980203/

I would love to tell you how it works, but I can’t. It’s multi omic (RNA DNA and Protein) and highly plexed. We can test for just about all respiratory viruses at once doing both qPCR and dPCR. We generate more data than anyone would ever need, except researchers, they can’t get enough.

[ilovecornfields]

58 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

Read here under cause of death classification, or perhaps they also made it up? Might want to read the rest of my post. About the first hit with Google, I’m sure there are many others

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/tech_notes.htm

Unlike you, I actually have quite a bit of knowledge on this subject. I try not to speak authoritatively on things I know nothing about. 

I did go back and read your post. Most of the statements you made regarding the medical establishment, infectious diseases and vaccines represents a profound lack of understanding on the subject that is so profound as to almost be comical. Your simultaneous lack of knowledge and insight into this coupled with your low threshold to authoritatively speak about something you know nothing about makes me not want to waste any more time engaging you.

I remember growing up hearing “It’s better to be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.” I guess that’s not true anymore.

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, ilovecornfields said:

Sorry about that. That was a rough time for me. Is it better than the COVID sniffing dogs?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dogs-sniff-out-covid-19-with-surprising-accuracy-180980203/

If only there was a way to monetize that dog….

I wonder if we could train the dog to hit a button to tell us which virus he smelled and bark if he smelled a lot of it?

[N201MKTurbo]

Has anybody figured out my avatar?

[ilovecornfields]

9 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I would love to tell you how it works, but I can’t. It’s multi omic (RNA DNA and Protein) and highly plexed. We can test for just about all respiratory viruses at once doing both qPCR and dPCR. We generate more data than anyone would ever need, except researchers, they can’t get enough.

It’s really fascinating technology. I bought some shares in this company back in 2018 and they’ve been doing quite well. It used to take hours to days to get results from a spinal tap and see if someone had bacterial meningitis and now in less than an hour you can know what they have and how to treat it. They keep expanding their “panels” and coming up with new tests although it seems like it’s more low-tech than what you’re doing. This is the kind of technology that can really revolutionize healthcare.

https://www.biofiredx.com