Schllc Posted July 5, 2020 Report Posted July 5, 2020 Looking for a project to acquire now and take time making it special. ive looked at many of the 201,231,252, and j’s and the useful load seems to vary wildly. I like the 96 and newer interior but it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker. im just interested in which models to focus on that have the highest useful, or potential. I would like to end up with 1,000#’s at the end. I just mean specifically which factory produced models yielded highest UL Quote
Schllc Posted July 5, 2020 Author Report Posted July 5, 2020 Pithy and prompt, much appreciated 1 Quote
Parker_Woodruff Posted July 6, 2020 Report Posted July 6, 2020 It’s not really a project but there is an M20S for sale at GMax American Aircraft with well over 1100 useful Quote
Niko182 Posted July 6, 2020 Report Posted July 6, 2020 Eagle can get up in the high 1100s and low 1200s. If you only need 1000lbs, a bravo or ovation will do that. 1 Quote
Guest Posted July 6, 2020 Report Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Schllc said: Looking for a project to acquire now and take time making it special. ive looked at many of the 201,231,252, and j’s and the useful load seems to vary wildly. I like the 96 and newer interior but it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker. im just interested in which models to focus on that have the highest useful, or potential. I would like to end up with 1,000#’s at the end. I just mean specifically which factory produced models yielded highest UL A Piper Comanche 250/260 or 400 will do that and are cheaper to buy. Clarence Quote
kortopates Posted July 6, 2020 Report Posted July 6, 2020 Over 1140 in my 252 converted Encore, but loaded with everything including O2, except TKS, unlike an Eagle. 4 Quote
kmyfm20s Posted July 6, 2020 Report Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 1055# in my 310hp Eagle, loaded with everything except O2, but with air conditioning, unlike an Encore;) Edited July 10, 2020 by kmyfm20s 3 Quote
gsxrpilot Posted July 6, 2020 Report Posted July 6, 2020 48 minutes ago, kortopates said: Over 1140 in my 252 converted Encore, but loaded with everything including O2, except TKS, unlike an Eagle. Once upon a time I was trying to decide between an Eagle and a 252 (I couldn't afford an Encore) I came to the conclusion that an Encore was a loaded M20K and the Eagle was a stripped down Ovation. And the most cost effective way to get the best useful load, and all the goodies, was to do what @kortopates did. And that was to buy a nice 252 and convert it to an Encore. The Eagles are nice airplanes and are very fast with heaps of useful load. But the panel in a stock Eagle wasn't any better than the panel in my slightly upgraded M20C. So I bought a 252 that will become an Encore this fall. 5 Quote
carusoam Posted July 6, 2020 Report Posted July 6, 2020 01s are over 1k#s UL... and come pretty nicely fit with all the needed goods... Updating all the electronics to WAAS color screens is a great modernization project that can increase the UL while you work on it... Go Mooney! Best regards, -a- 3 Quote
Danb Posted July 6, 2020 Report Posted July 6, 2020 7 hours ago, gsxrpilot said: Once upon a time I was trying to decide between an Eagle and a 252 (I couldn't afford an Encore) I came to the conclusion that an Encore was a loaded M20K and the Eagle was a stripped down Ovation. And the most cost effective way to get the best useful load, and all the goodies, was to do what @kortopates did. And that was to buy a nice 252 and convert it to an Encore. The Eagles are nice airplanes and are very fast with heaps of useful load. But the panel in a stock Eagle wasn't any better than the panel in my slightly upgraded M20C. So I bought a 252 that will become an Encore this fall. How much work will you need to do for the conversion Paul Quote
gsxrpilot Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 4:34 AM, Danb said: How much work will you need to do for the conversion Paul 11 minutes ago, bradp said: What’s the encore conversion entail ? This is a whole thread in its self. And one that's been written a few times But at a high level convert the MB engine to an SB which is more boost, less RPM, more fuel flow = 220 hp up from 210 hp. Upgrade the brakes (double puck from single puck) and the knock on effects such as master cylinders, gear doors, etc. Change the control counter weights. Re-map the tach and some other engine instruments. Quote
bradp Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said: This is a whole thread in its self. And one that's been written a few times But at a high level convert the MB engine to an SB which is more boost, less RPM, more fuel flow = 220 hp up from 210 hp. Upgrade the brakes (double puck from single puck) and the knock on effects such as master cylinders, gear doors, etc. Change the control counter weights. Re-map the tach and some other engine instruments. Sounds fun. mmmm double puck brakes. I’d love those on a J. First turnoff every time. Unless I’d just be tempted to lock them up... ;-p I guess people do this during overhaul if they’re gonna do it? Quote
gsxrpilot Posted July 7, 2020 Report Posted July 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, bradp said: I guess people do this during overhaul if they’re gonna do it? Yeah, that's when most do the conversion. And that's my plan as well. But on the other hand, if I'd just bought a 252 with a <500 hour engine, I'd just do it at the next annual. Quote
Schllc Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 9:27 PM, M20Doc said: A Piper Comanche 250/260 or 400 will do that and are cheaper to buy. Clarence Yeah, but they aren’t mooney’s! Quote
Guest Posted July 8, 2020 Report Posted July 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Schllc said: Yeah, but they aren’t mooney’s! Some would say a better copy of one! Clarence Quote
Schllc Posted July 8, 2020 Author Report Posted July 8, 2020 Just now, M20Doc said: Some would say a better copy of one! Clarence Others would say blasphemy! but on the serious side, you can certainly “buy” one cheaper, but most modern autopilots aren’t stc’d in them, and the panels aren’t easily configurable to modern avionics. they are also just flat out slower, and burn more fuel. now some of the older ones have outrageous UL’s, and they also have laminar flow wings, so they aren’t all bad. Quote
wcb Posted July 8, 2020 Report Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 8:27 PM, M20Doc said: A Piper Comanche 250/260 or 400 will do that and are cheaper to buy. Clarence The problem is in his OP he said 1996 and newer. What is the newest Comanche available? Quote
Guest Posted July 8, 2020 Report Posted July 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, wcb said: The problem is in his OP he said 1996 and newer. What is the newest Comanche available? Mine was built in 1964, while there are lots of newer Mooney models none have the overall performance of the 400. Sure a Mooney airframe may be more efficient in fuel burn, they can’t lift as much weight or carry it as far as my Comanche. Just say’n. Clarence Quote
Andy95W Posted July 8, 2020 Report Posted July 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, M20Doc said: Mine was built in 1964, while there are lots of newer Mooney models none have the overall performance of the 400. Sure a Mooney airframe may be more efficient in fuel burn, they can’t lift as much weight or carry it as far as my Comanche. Just say’n. Clarence That's the same year as my M20C. Except your 400 could tow my C like a glider. 1 Quote
Guest Posted July 8, 2020 Report Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) While Mooney was busy putting an IO-360 in an E model, Piper was putting an IO-720 in a Comanche and a pair of IO-504’s in a Twin Comanche. While efficiency is nice, sometimes brute horsepower is nicer. Clarence Edited July 8, 2020 by M20Doc Quote
Danb Posted July 8, 2020 Report Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, M20Doc said: While Mooney was busy putting an IO-360 in an E model, Piper was putting an IO-720 in a Comanche and a pair of IO-504’s in a Twin Comanche. While efficiency is nice, sometimes brute horsepower is nicer. Clarence There a 400 in the controller for sale. Quote
carusoam Posted July 8, 2020 Report Posted July 8, 2020 Doc has the aerobatic version.... Al was busy on two fronts... speed and efficiency... Brand P selected speed only... Laminar flow wing and way more HP... Rocket Engineering took that theory to the next level... P46T -a- This is modern art... Quote
Guest Posted July 9, 2020 Report Posted July 9, 2020 5 hours ago, carusoam said: Doc has the aerobatic version.... Al was busy on two fronts... speed and efficiency... Brand P selected speed only... Laminar flow wing and way more HP... Rocket Engineering took that theory to the next level... P46T -a- This is modern art... Thanks Anthony! They run better right side up. Clarence Quote
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