Another help me with my panel thread

[rbridges]

My panel is in the ugly duckling phase; still trying to figure things out.  I just had the second Aspen panel installed.  My plans are:

1)  primary engine monitor (probably JPI 900); remove factory gauge strip; remove UBG-16 backup monitor

2)  MAX upgrade to eliminate vacuum system; remove AI

3)  remove DME; remove suction gauge; remove vacuum anunciator light.

4)  place transponder in center stack

5)  clean up switches; maybe make toggle switches into actual switches to blend better?

So, I need feedback and suggestions.  Which gauges should I remove? Should I keep the CDI?  I have EI MP, Fuel flow gauges on the far right as can be seen in the second pic.  What should I do with them?  I believe the ASI can be removed with the MAX upgrade but not positive.  Would you keep that?  

I'm looking for a clean look.  Something that doesn't look slapped together like it is now.

Thanks

[MIm20c]

I think your panel looks great!  I wouldn’t change a thing until the 3100 is certified for your plane.  At that time I’d clean everything up and fly it for the next 20 years. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by MIm20c

[rbridges]

39 minutes ago, MIm20c said:

I think your panel looks great!  I wouldn’t change a thing until the 3100 is certified for your plane.  At that time I’d clean everything up and fly it for the next 20 years. 

good point on the 3100.

[Marauder]

My panel is in the ugly duckling phase; still trying to figure things out.  I just had the second Aspen panel installed.  My plans are:
1)  primary engine monitor (probably JPI 900); remove factory gauge strip; remove UBG-16 backup monitor
2)  MAX upgrade to eliminate vacuum system; remove AI
3)  remove DME; remove suction gauge; remove vacuum anunciator light.
4)  place transponder in center stack
5)  clean up switches; maybe make toggle switches into actual switches to blend better?
So, I need feedback and suggestions.  Which gauges should I remove? Should I keep the CDI?  I have EI MP, Fuel flow gauges on the far right as can be seen in the second pic.  What should I do with them?  I believe the ASI can be removed with the MAX upgrade but not positive.  Would you keep that?  
I'm looking for a clean look.  Something that doesn't look slapped together like it is now.
Thanks

I think you are looking pretty good. Here are some decision points that you may want to consider:

1) What color do you want the final panel to be? I like the color on the left and I think it will look great if the whole panel is this color. It will also be easier for the avionics shop to the labeling and placards.
2) With the Max installed, I would get rid of all non required instruments. The ASI definitely.
3) I would move the Aspen PFD over to be directly over the yoke. I am doing this in my next upgrade.
4) With the Aspens moved, you will have space to the left of the PFD to install your engine monitor. I personally would do what I did and install a JPI 900 and eliminate all of the primary gauges you want. I added EI MP, FP/FF and RPM to backup the JPI on the right side. Those in my opinion are more critical than a short term loss of fuel gauges, etc. I see you already have one EI over there. You can the MP, FP-5L and drop the factory gauge completely.
5) The Aspen 2000 gives you the ability to run a second HSI on the MFD. If you are worried about redundancy, install a G5, Sandel Quattro or ESI-500. I would definitely drop the CDI.
6) Move the switches from the right side to underneath the engine monitor. There will be room for rockers, but I would not go with Klixon breaker types. I would use Piper rockers (with remote breakers) or toggles of the same size. I have a mixed set and am considering moving to toggles with integrated breakers. Lot cheaper than the rockers.
7) I made provision for your new STEC 3100. You are getting one right?! With that sitting in the center stack, you can drop your turn coordinator.
8) The only question that would remain is whether or not the 3100 will fit in the center stack on top. If not, I would move the Bendix King 155 to the right side and bump up the transponder. If you are like me, the 2nd com is a true backup.




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[Oldguy]

1 hour ago, rbridges said:

My panel is in the ugly duckling phase; still trying to figure things out.  I just had the second Aspen panel installed.  My plans are:

1)  primary engine monitor (probably JPI 900); remove factory gauge strip; remove UBG-16 backup monitor

2)  MAX upgrade to eliminate vacuum system; remove AI

3)  remove DME; remove suction gauge; remove vacuum anunciator light.

4)  place transponder in center stack

5)  clean up switches; maybe make toggle switches into actual switches to blend better?

So, I need feedback and suggestions.  Which gauges should I remove? Should I keep the CDI?  I have EI MP, Fuel flow gauges on the far right as can be seen in the second pic.  What should I do with them?  I believe the ASI can be removed with the MAX upgrade but not positive.  Would you keep that?  

I'm looking for a clean look.  Something that doesn't look slapped together like it is now.

Thanks

Okay, you asked, so here goes (assuming new panel cut):

1. Move Aspens up more so there is less chance of the bottom being covered by your iPad/tablet/EFB on the yoke.
2. Remove all gauges on the far right. Remove Davtron on the top left. Replace all and strip gauges with EDM 900 top right beside Aspens in Landscape view.
3. Remove DME, vac gauge, CDI.
4. Replace current S-TEC with 3100, put in center stack.
5. Move KT 74 to center stack.
6. Replace current strikefinder with WX 500 and display on Aspens and GNS 430W.
7. Move Davtron clock on left under an Aspen (are you left handed or right handed? Choose that Aspen.) Or put it under the EDM 900 in space where strikefinder is now.
8. Where is 406 ELT switch?
9. Put some type of ball mount on right panel (now clean) for mounting iPad/tablet/EFB.
10. For redundant redundancy, keep ASI and put ALT under it on left of Aspens (optional) or add something like the AV-30 on the left side.

I am glad money is no problem when configuring someone else's panel! 

The EDM 900 and STEC 3100 will likely be new, but the WX 500 can be sourced from the used market by someone like @Alan Fox or others.

With pulling the CDI, strikefinder display, AI, and STEC A/P from where they currently sit, you could even stack up some switches there if  you wanted.

Best of luck.

[Marauder]

Oopsie. I forgot to remove your vacuum system and move for Aspen switches over.




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[rbridges]

1 minute ago, Marauder said:

Oopsie. I forgot to remove your vacuum system and move for Aspen switches over.




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why the G5?  Another AI backup?

[rbridges]

13 minutes ago, Oldguy said:

Okay, you asked, so here goes (assuming new panel cut):

1. Move Aspens up more so there is less chance of the bottom being covered by your iPad/tablet/EFB on the yoke.
2. Remove all gauges on the far right. Remove Davtron on the top left. Replace all and strip gauges with EDM 900 top right beside Aspens in Landscape view.
3. Remove DME, vac gauge, CDI.
4. Replace current S-TEC with 3100, put in center stack.
5. Move KT 74 to center stack.
6. Replace current strikefinder with WX 500 and display on Aspens and GNS 430W.
7. Move Davtron clock on left under an Aspen (are you left handed or right handed? Choose that Aspen.) Or put it under the EDM 900 in space where strikefinder is now.
8. Where is 406 ELT switch?
9. Put some type of ball mount on right panel (now clean) for mounting iPad/tablet/EFB.
10. For redundant redundancy, keep ASI and put ALT under it on left of Aspens (optional) or add something like the AV-30 on the left side.

I am glad money is no problem when configuring someone else's panel! 

The EDM 900 and STEC 3100 will likely be new, but the WX 500 can be sourced from the used market by someone like @Alan Fox or others.

With pulling the CDI, strikefinder display, AI, and STEC A/P from where they currently sit, you could even stack up some switches there if  you wanted.

Best of luck.

Thanks, those are great suggestions.

[ArtVandelay]

What is the coiled cord for on the left side?

Lose the compass, replace with a panel mount.
Leave the transponder on the right side, add a poor man’s mfd (Aera 660)


Tom

[gsxrpilot]

Here's what I would do.

• Leave the two small 2" gauges on the far left side.
• Remove everything from the left half of the panel except the Aspens. 
• Flush mount the Aspens.
• Install the EDM-900 on the left side of panel, either left or right of the Aspens.
• Move transponder to center stack.
• Add 3100 to center stack.

 

• No need for any backup instruments. The Aspen MAX PFD/MFD back each other up.
• Remove the CDI - the Aspen can display multiple Nav sources simultaneously.
• Either leave the Stec on the left side, above the newly installed EDM-900 or remove it and install 3100 in center stack.
• The ideal center stack would be
  • PSE audio panel (already there)
  • IFD540 (allows for remote transponder, remote ADSB in/out, remote strike finder)
  • KX165 (already there, backup nav/com)
  • Stec 3100 (upgrade from current 55)

[rbridges]

34 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said:

What is the coiled cord for on the left side?

Tom

CB radio.  Backup for the comms.  

Seriously, it goes to a light that's mounted on the pillar.

[Marauder]

2 hours ago, rbridges said:

why the G5?  Another AI backup?

No. To address the apparent need to have a third CDI in the plane. Your Aspens can provide dual HSIs to different Nav sources. Yet, I see another CDI in the plane. If you don't need the third CDI with its corresponding AI, I would not install it.

[rbridges]

1 hour ago, Marauder said:

No. To address the apparent need to have a third CDI in the plane. Your Aspens can provide dual HSIs to different Nav sources. Yet, I see another CDI in the plane. If you don't need the third CDI with its corresponding AI, I would not install it.

The shop took out an old cdi and moved it there.  I mentioned that I wasnt using it, and he just thought it would work better for now. 

[rbridges]

4 hours ago, Marauder said:

 

I think you are looking pretty good. Here are some decision points that you may want to consider:

1) What color do you want the final panel to be? I like the color on the left and I think it will look great if the whole panel is this color. It will also be easier for the avionics shop to the labeling and placards.
2) With the Max installed, I would get rid of all non required instruments. The ASI definitely.
3) I would move the Aspen PFD over to be directly over the yoke. I am doing this in my next upgrade.
4) With the Aspens moved, you will have space to the left of the PFD to install your engine monitor. I personally would do what I did and install a JPI 900 and eliminate all of the primary gauges you want. I added EI MP, FP/FF and RPM to backup the JPI on the right side. Those in my opinion are more critical than a short term loss of fuel gauges, etc. I see you already have one EI over there. You can the MP, FP-5L and drop the factory gauge completely.
5) The Aspen 2000 gives you the ability to run a second HSI on the MFD. If you are worried about redundancy, install a G5, Sandel Quattro or ESI-500. I would definitely drop the CDI.
6) Move the switches from the right side to underneath the engine monitor. There will be room for rockers, but I would not go with Klixon breaker types. I would use Piper rockers (with remote breakers) or toggles of the same size. I have a mixed set and am considering moving to toggles with integrated breakers. Lot cheaper than the rockers.
7) I made provision for your new STEC 3100. You are getting one right?! With that sitting in the center stack, you can drop your turn coordinator.
8) The only question that would remain is whether or not the 3100 will fit in the center stack on top. If not, I would move the Bendix King 155 to the right side and bump up the transponder. If you are like me, the 2nd com is a true backup.




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Not sure about the 3100.  Was planning on the stec50 for a while.  Was planning on a light colored panel.  Your suggestions leave enough room for the stormscope and stec unit.

[Marauder]

The shop took out an old cdi and moved it there.  I mentioned that I wasnt using it, and he just thought it would work better for now. 

 

You may want to check to see he wired up the MFD for Nav capability. Would be a shame if he didn’t.

 

 

 

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[Jerry 5TJ]

I’m helping a buddy with his 182 panel upgrade.   He is adding dual G5 + GFC500 + GEM.  

I used a local Maker Space ShopBot to cut him a new set of Aluminum panels.  The CAM tool makes doing a “fresh” panel much easier.  Material was $17 from Spruce.  

Next step is powder coating & engraved legends.