Trouble for Indiana Jones?

[flyboy0681]

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/harrison-ford-has-incident-passenger-plane-airport-n720826

 

 

[thinwing]

NASA report form Indiana...FAA is gonna make an example ..PS..I have lined up on wrong parallel runway even with correct readbacks...I didn't land though and called a go arround!Felt like an idiot though!

[1964-M20E]

I have lined up on the wrong runway before 13 instead of 18 was approaching form the west heading about 090 degrees.  The tower called out my error and subsequently cleared me to land 13.

 

We all make mistakes hopefully they end up with no bent metal or body parts.

[Guest]

We've had the same thing happen here with an older pilot landing on the parallel taxiway.  Luckily no one was hurt, just his pride.

Clarence

[Piloto]

Ford may need new glasses or cataract lenses. Runway markings are pretty clear. In a slow plane you have time assess the runway markings.

José

[aaronk25]

Gosh that stinks for him. Hope they go easy. So much traffic and things going on that he must have looked ahead in a quick glance and thought it was the runway.


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[Pritch]

Heck their taxiways are bigger than my home runway.

Pritch

 

[DXB]

Oh man.  The guy provides such a classy advocate voice for GA and is a role model for private pilots - I hate to see him dragged through this.  Glad no one hurt as a result of his (presumptive) goof up.

[kortopates]

I have to admit my wife, also a pilot, saved me once from landing on a taxiway as I lined for it rather than the adjacent runway at MMH long ago. I wonder if he set up incorrectly as I did and then the sight of the jet and evading it is actually what distracted him from ever recognizing it wasn't the runway as he got real close. Perhaps so fixated on not hitting the jet, it distracted him from not recognizing the taxiway and runway for what they were. 

How horrible for any pilot to have a incident, especially a pilot deviation, and then be a celebrity so that the whole world hears about it!

I am guessing under the new FAA Compliance Philosophy he'll get 10-15 hrs of remedial training - not violated. But I think the "remedial training" he's getting from the press will be way more than enough  

[mithogo]

He's an experienced and well-respected pilot. This is his fourth incident:

1. In 2015, he crash-landed a World War II-era airplane on a Santa Monica, California, golf course after the engine failed.

2. While piloting a Beechcraft Bonanza in 2000, Ford was forced to make an emergency landing at Lincoln Municipal Airport in Nebraska. He and his passenger weren't hurt, but the plane clipped the runway, which damaged its wing tips.

3. In 1999, he crash-landed a helicopter in Ventura County, California, during a training flight with an instructor.

Are the FAA & NTSB  going to get tired of reading his name on incident and crash reports?

[kortopates]

8 hours ago, mithogo said:

He's an experienced and well-respected pilot. This is his fourth incident:

1. In 2015, he crash-landed a World War II-era airplane on a Santa Monica, California, golf course after the engine failed.

2. While piloting a Beechcraft Bonanza in 2000, Ford was forced to make an emergency landing at Lincoln Municipal Airport in Nebraska. He and his passenger weren't hurt, but the plane clipped the runway, which damaged its wing tips.

3. In 1999, he crash-landed a helicopter in Ventura County, California, during a training flight with an instructor.

Are the FAA & NTSB  going to get tired of reading his name on incident and crash reports?

I read the same thing in the press and I only know of the some of the details of the recent engine out landing accident on the golf course. He did an excellent job of dealing with the engine out off field landing with only injuries to himself and plane in very high density area. The second, described only as incident, and if true that "Ford was forced to make an emergency landing" that was also an excellent outcome since "He and his passenger weren't hurt".  In the third, I know nothing, but as a CFI I know its my utmost #1 responsibility to provide a safe environment for learning, so without further evidence to the contrary that accident/incident would go on his CFI's shoulder - not his. 

No one likes to see engine out accidents/incidents, but the FAA is not going to fault the pilot that gets the plane down without hurting innocents unless the pilot caused the engine out. Again, I surely don't have all the details on these, but it seems very rash to criticize him for probably doing far better than the average pilot in such situations. Of course one could say luckier than average too; but clearly made his own luck when he headed for the golf course in the first one. 

[N201MKTurbo]

Knocking on wood. Glad it was him and not me.

[Piloto]

After all he is Indiana Jones. This is nothing compared to all he has gone thru.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=indiana+jones+and+the+last+crusade&qpvt=indiana+jones+and+the+last+crusade&view=detail&mid=4E87E2882A4C59C174E84E87E2882A4C59C174E8&FORM=VRDGAR

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Indiana+Jones+and+the+Last+Crusade+No+Ticket&&view=detail&mid=B81173CE1AC3D941CEF0B81173CE1AC3D941CEF0&FORM=VRDGAR

He never lost the hat.

I enjoyed very much his movies.

José

Edited February 15, 2017 by Piloto

[amillet]

In reviewing this incident I noticed that Foreflight's "aerial" map is outdated. It shows the runway at KSNA as 19L instead of 20L

[MooneyMitch]

Harrison is high profile and a huge spokesperson for general aviation.  

The media is sensationalism.  We all make mistakes, flying and everything else.  

I've used the wrong call sign at times on the radio.  I've almost landed on a taxiway years ago, etc.  Some survive, some don't.

We kill over 40K people per year on our highways...... but, accidentally fly over an airliner and land on a taxiway and wow!  Media frenzy!!  BS I say.

He made a mistake.  He flys a lot and flys many different types of aircraft.  So do many, many other pilots, we just generally don't hear about their mistakes.

BS media frenzy, I say again!

[Piloto]

At the Sun n' Fun event I am always told to land at the taxiway. No big deal and it expedite traffic flow. If Ford would have landed on the runway the B737 would have to wait for Ford to clear the runway. Well done Indy.

José

 

[DonMuncy]

I figure they will cut him slack because he is Harrison Ford, or they will try to make an example of him because he is Harrison Ford.

[M20F]

9 hours ago, MooneyMitch said:

but, accidentally fly over an airliner and land on a taxiway and wow! 

I can see landing on a taxiway to some extent.  Flying directly at and landing over a jet in a Husky which moves at the pace of a snail is a bit of a head scratcher. 

[Mooneymite]

Old news, but it can happen to experienced professionals too:

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB125816841453048137

 

 

[Piloto]

25 minutes ago, Mooneymite said:

Old news, but it can happen to experienced professionals too:

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB125816841453048137

 

 

Two Delta pilots younger than Indy? And not action against the pilots taken? Indy you are free to fly again.

[mccdeuce]

Ford made a mistake. It happens. As I read the news on this again...

why doesn't anyone draw attention to the other pilots who didn't call for the wave off? If I notice someone flying over me who is in the wrong spot im going to try and help them.

[kortopates]

Ford made a mistake. It happens. As I read the news on this again... why doesn't anyone draw attention to the other pilots who didn't call for the wave off? If I notice someone flying over me who is in the wrong spot im going to try and help them.

 

If you are asking why didn't the Boeing pilots that were overflown by Ford not get on the radio? Don't know but after seeing the video with Ford's plane never getting anywhere close I wouldn't be surprised to hear they didn't notice him as they were also probably very busy configuring for departure. He stayed quite high seeing the traffic and never looked to be a threat. But I think he was so fixated on the jet he never realized he was lined up on the taxiway.

 

 

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[Bob_Belville]

28 minutes ago, kortopates said:

If you are asking why didn't the Boeing pilots that were overflown by Ford not get on the radio? Don't know but after seeing the video with Ford's plane never getting anywhere close I wouldn't be surprised to hear they didn't notice him as they were also probably very busy configuring for departure. He stayed quite high seeing the traffic and never looked to be a threat. But I think he was so fixated on the jet he never realized he was lined up on the taxiway.

 

 

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I want to be supportive, among other things he's about 6 months older than I am, but I think I saw that earlier in the same flight he reported in as "helicopter 123" and then corrected himself. We do have to be concerned about our older brains...

[kortopates]

I want to be supportive, among other things he's about 6 months older than I am, but I think I saw that earlier in the same flight he reported in as "helicopter 123" and then corrected himself. We do have to be concerned about our older brains...

True, but he's still a youngster at 74 and a very active busy guy. But as you say, there are way to many examples of early onset of dementia even under 40. David Cassidy was just in the news yesterday for going public with it at age 66 which sadly isn't uncommon. I am hoping I'll be more like Bennett here on MS!


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[INA201]

Huskys can land and takeoff in less than 500 feet.  Assuming Mr.  Ford can maximize the capabilities of the Husky then this is absolutely a nonevent in the practical sense.  In the legal sense and in our sensationalized world it may be a different story.  Heck the controllers may have just let it play out but won't say that in an interview or on camera.  We've got a Husky here(untowered) and he just taxies far enough from the hangers and is up in a couple hundred feet.