1975 Mooney M20F lightning uograde

[Hank]

Red Right Return. Red light coming at you is in the right side of the approaching plane / boat.

[Bob_Belville]

36 minutes ago, Hank said:

Red Right Return. Red light coming at you is in the right side of the approaching plane / boat.

Really? 

[TheTurtle]

Whenever I find myself pondering which side is which I just think to myself; do you have any port wine left?

[Cruiser]

49 minutes ago, Hank said:

Red Right Return. Red light coming at you is in the right side of the approaching plane / boat.

Obviously from your point of view.

[Raptor05121]

On 8/17/2016 at 7:33 PM, jetdriven said:

Dear god, its 650$.  That would buy a lot of the competitor's bulbs. Heck for another 250$ get the HID, its 750K candlepower.

That is true, but the LEDS will last longer and will do wig wag. When I upgrade, I plan to keep them on whenever the engine is running.

with HIDs, with the vibration, I'd be inclined to only use on takeoff and landing.

[Yetti]

Red right returning is for the Buoys / chanel markers on the channel....  not the other boats.

We used to sit at the sailing club and watch the people run their boats on the shoals.  Good times I tell you

Edited August 19, 2016 by Yetti

[gsxrpilot]

Red-Green, Port-Starboard, Left-Right. However you look at it the short words are on one side and the long words are on the other.

[Hank]

20 minutes ago, gsxrpilot said:

Red-Green, Port-Starboard, Left-Right. However you look at it the short words are on one side and the long words are on the other.

Yeah, still working on my Vessel license. 

[jetdriven]

2 hours ago, Raptor05121 said:

That is true, but the LEDS will last longer and will do wig wag. When I upgrade, I plan to keep them on whenever the engine is running.

with HIDs, with the vibration, I'd be inclined to only use on takeoff and landing.

You can pulse HID's now, although they recommend warming them up for a minute first.

I have about 600 hours on one, The XEVision 50W, the old school capacitor and transistor power supply has failed twice, but the new SMT ballast is buletproof. Its the same as theirs, they get it from a BMW-land rover.  Also,  ground one of the 3 wires, it pulses the light off. But the bulb is still new looking. I'd buy the 2000 hour life on the bulb. Theyre like 50$ anyways.

[Raptor05121]

They're OEM ballasts and $1,000? Just goes to show why aviation is rediculous in pricing.

I have two Matsushita Gen 5 ballasts (OEM for Lexus) on my 1998 F-150 powering Osram D2S bulbs in a Lexus projector and the whole setup was $200

[cmkep]

I installed Whelen OR65001R, OR6501G, Position / Anti-Collision lights and a OR5001V Tail position / Anti Collision light on my M20E. Removed a rotating Beacon on the top and a strobe from the bottom. I think that is where my 39 KTAS came from.

Very happy with the results. My mechanic installed them and was able to attach the new wires to the old wires and pull the new wire through the wing into the cabin. The lights come with an STC for the make and model. Also filled a 337.

One comment, the anti collision strobe, unlike a flash strobe is a significant duration and the lights draw 3 amp each when they are on. One of my radios can hear this as alternator noise.

 

[slowflyin]

+1 one for Orion Nav/Anti Col. all the way around and removing the beacon.

[bradp]

I had a discussion with my hangar neighbor the other day talking about lighting.  I was about to run a sync wire from each wing to the cabin to pre wire for whenever my old Hoskins power supply decides to off itself.  We discussed whether having synchronized anti collision lighting would be beneficial or harmful compared to random flashes. Two things we agreed on:

-There may be a benefit to keeping lights not synchronized. Human eye / brain perceives random patterns as more attention getting than something with a pattern.  

- There may be more of an AMP draw on the alternator if even if low current LEDs are synced for that 1 sec that they flash together.  

- I now feel better about my weird looking single flash on the right wing and comet flash on the left being more attention getting  

What do you all think?

-Brad 

[Hank]

Brad, I agree with you and your neighbor..

[Guitarmaster]

1 hour ago, bradp said:

I had a discussion with my hangar neighbor the other day talking about lighting.  I was about to run a sync wire from each wing to the cabin to pre wire for whenever my old Hoskins power supply decides to off itself.  We discussed whether having synchronized anti collision lighting would be beneficial or harmful compared to random flashes. Two things we agreed on:

-There may be a benefit to keeping lights not synchronized. Human eye / brain perceives random patterns as more attention getting than something with a pattern.  

- There may be more of an AMP draw on the alternator if even if low current LEDs are synced for that 1 sec that they flash together.  

- I now feel better about my weird looking single flash on the right wing and comet flash on the left being more attention getting  

What do you all think?

-Brad 

Intersting.  Personally I like the synced lights.  However... wig wag lights tend to be more noticeable than a single or synced on/off blink.  

My airplane has strobes and, all three (wing tips and belly) flash individually, but in sequence.  Never though about it before but, When you look at it, it kind of makes a circle around the plane:  Right, belly, left.  I think that makes it quite visible.  You could be on to something.

[bjoseph604]

so I upgraded the landing light to the Prometheus Plus and love it.  Here is my wingtip setup.  Would the Whelen OR65001R, OR6501G, Position / Anti-Collision lights and a OR5001V Tail position / Anti Collision light be a suitable upgrade for my F?  I love this site.  Lots of great info.

 

 

 

[ArtVandelay]

1 hour ago, bjoseph604 said:

so I upgraded the landing light to the Prometheus Plus and love it.  Here is my wingtip setup.  Would the Whelen OR65001R, OR6501G, Position / Anti-Collision lights and a OR5001V Tail position / Anti Collision light be a suitable upgrade for my F?  I love this site.  Lots of great info.

 

not just suitable but a definite upgrade, very bright:

 

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[bjoseph604]

That looks like the 650E correct?  I think thats the way I'm going to go.  Did you replace the tail position as well?  what about the beacon?  

Im going to get these swapped out asap.  Thanks!

[ArtVandelay]

Yes, replace tail

Just now, bjoseph604 said:

That looks like the 650E correct?  I think thats the way I'm going to go.  Did you replace the tail position as well?  what about the beacon?  

Im going to get these swapped out asap.  Thanks!

Yes on the tail light, I don't have the beacon, was removed by PO when strobes were installed.  I did it at annual because I had a dead power supply and couple of dead bulbs.

[bradp]

Coffe can no longer hanging in the wind may actually gain 38kts 

[Raptor05121]

On 8/19/2016 at 7:54 PM, bradp said:

- There may be more of an AMP draw on the alternator if even if low current LEDs are synced for that 1 sec that they flash together.  

 

 

I don't know the specs for any aviation models, but you're talking milliamperes when it comes to LEDs.

[ArtVandelay]

1 hour ago, Raptor05121 said:

I don't know the specs for any aviation models, but you're talking milliamperes when it comes to LEDs.

For 3 strobes, its over 10 Amps

[Cyril Gibb]

On September 5, 2016 at 8:42 PM, teejayevans said:

For 3 strobes, its over 10 Amps

For the Orion 6501 (12 volt), position light uses .3 amps, anticollision is .7 amps.  Tail is an additional .2 plus .38. Total for synched wingtips and tail is .8 amps steady plus 1.78 amps intermittent. Of course for 24 volt systems that would be 1/2 that.

[ArtVandelay]

Here is the spec sheet for the 650s, if synced the strobes pulse will be 2x3.6, the 500 is 3.8 so 11 amps in total.

[Cyril Gibb]

15 hours ago, teejayevans said:

Here is the spec sheet for the 650s, if synced the strobes pulse will be 2x3.6, the 500 is 3.8 so 11 amps in total.

I was wrong yet again.   The aircraft spruce specs didn't have a separate number for "peak" and I totally missed the "avg" for strobes.

My Bad.  It does point out that synching strobes might have more of an instantaneous impact than I thought, but I assume that the battery would absorb the peaks ?

Thanks for the correction.