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Just now, Bob_Belville said:

I don't "know" for sure. However my avionics shop is a real stickler for staying legal and they are the folks who told me i could use a generic SD card. As it turned out the corrupted Garmin cards that i assumed I would have to replace were fine after reformatting. IOW, there is nothing on the SD that has to be preserved and fell free to clean it.

Reformatting a card will not affect data that is placed in certain sectors of the card because it's protected.

Posted
On 1/23/2016 at 1:51 PM, Oscar Avalle said: Thanks!!

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Oscar,

Did my previous post work for you? I have figured out how to clone my Garmin SD card with a generic and it works just like kmyfm20s has said. Let me know if you still need a card and I'll send you one of my cloned cards with an out of date data source... or I can write up a step by step process to clone a known good card.

Thank you, it worked but then my avionics guy basically refused to work on my 750 saying that it was not legal so I decided to get two new Garmin cards!

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Oscar Avalle said:

Thank you, it worked but then my avionics guy basically refused to work on my 750 saying that it was not legal so I decided to get two new Garmin cards!

You are taking this more maturely than I would.   It's ok to be civil at the shop and then blow off steam elsewhere - that's what the internet was made for ;)

Posted
On 8/3/2016 at 11:28 AM, co2bruce said:

thats good to know, someone lost one of my cards. I've been using one Garmin one generic

That ought to work - just make sure the TSO'd card (or no card) is in the slot when you go to the avionics shop.

Here's what my Certified Garmin Dealer/avionics shop had to say on this subject just now:

"The card thing can be confusing.
 
"As for legalities: If the card has to remain in the unit for the unit to function properly than it is suppose to be a TSO'ed card. So the card that holds the terrain, safe taxi, etc... needs to be a TSO'ed card that's because the safe taxi, terrain, data stays on the SD card.
However the Nav database resides in the GTN so you can use a regular SD card (Garmin recommends the SanDisk as they have good results with their cards) to download the Nav data from the internet and then carry it to the plane and upload the Nav data to the unit.
On the 750 you should be flying with the Garmin Supp Data card installed in the slot, but you can use a regular SD card to update the internal Nav database with. So unless you update the safe taxi, obstacle, terrain, etc... the only card you need to transport home is a regular off the shelf SD card.
 
"Many shops are confused about the cards as well so tell your Mooney space friend to take his card out of the unit and stick in his pocket when he goes to see his shop (it will work just fine without the card, it just won't have the safe taxi, obstacles, etc...).
 
"So if you have a G1000 then you need a TSO'ed card in the bottom slot (because that card holds safe taxi, obstacles, synthetic vision etc...) but the top slot can be empty or it can contain a regular SD card. The G1000 (above a certain SW level) will record flight data on the top card.
 
"This info comes from the Garmin factory training I had (and if you think about it, it makes sense). The FAA makes Garmin check the TSO'ed cards with their "certified" computer and "certified" software before Garmin sells them.
Posted
6 minutes ago, Bob_Belville said:

However the Nav database resides in the GTN so you can use a regular SD card (Garmin recommends the SanDisk as they have good results with their cards) to download the Nav data from the internet and then carry it to the plane and upload the Nav data to the unit.

 

This actually answers a question that I posed earlier.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Bob_Belville said:

Anyone investigating the Flight Stream 510? It replaces the SD card in the 650/750, allows updating data via wifi or bluetooth and more. 

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/in-the-air/government_military/government_military_connectivity/flight-stream-510/prod155337.html

Wish they had it back in December when our 210 was installed. Would have saved a few bucks.

Love the house.

 

Posted
40 minutes ago, flyboy0681 said:

Wish they had it back in December when our 210 was installed. Would have saved a few bucks.

Love the house.

 

Agree, I installed the 210 and will most likely stick with it.

Posted
5 hours ago, flyboy0681 said:

Wish they had it back in December when our 210 was installed. Would have saved a few bucks.

Love the house.

 

 

4 hours ago, Oscar Avalle said:

Agree, I installed the 210 and will most likely stick with it.

How much was the installed price for the 210? The 510 is a $1500 SD card. I don't know how they got both Bluetooth and WiFi on it, but they did. One thing the 210 gives you that the 510 doesn't is the AHRS. I think they launched this to complement the RTX-345 which I believe has an AHRS built into it. Smart move, just wish it wasn't $1500.

Posted

This somehow got posted under the wrong topic.

 

Here is the original Garmin Service Advisory.

 

1200 E. 151st Street
Olathe, KS 66062
913-397-8200
SERVICE ADVISORY
NO.: 1506 Rev A
TO: Garmin Aviation Service Centers, Distributors, and End Users
DATE: April 9, 2015
SUBJECT: Spare Supplemental Data Cards
PRODUCTS AFFECTED
All G5000, G5000H, G3000, G2000, G1000, G1000H, G950, G900X, G600, G500, G500H, and GTN 650/750 Series products are affected.
ISSUE
Due to variability in the specification and build quality of commercially available data cards, some data cards may not be compatible or approved for use with your Garmin system. To ensure availability of data cards that are both compatible and authorized under Garmin TSOs, Garmin now offers blank replacement cards for your avionics. These blank cards do not contain any pre-loaded aviation databases, and are intended for operators who have already purchased databases from the flyGarmin website. Databases for Garmin avionics can be purchased directly from www.flyGarmin.com. Blank replacement cards are available through authorized Garmin Aviation Dealers and Service Centers.
Table 1 shows the compatibility of each replacement card and serves as a reference to ensure the correct card is installed in the specified system.
The compatible Replacement SD Card part numbers, 010-01431-00 and 010-01431-01, are equivalent to the “Original Part Number(s)” listed in Table 2 through Table 5 when loaded with the specified data from flygarmin.com.
Table 1: Replacement Card Compatibility
Device
Original Part Number(s)
Replacement (Blank) Part Number
G5000, G5000H, G3000, G2000
010-00474-44
010-01431-01
G1000, G950, G900X
010-00330-41, -42, -43, -45
010-01431-00
G1000H
010-00330-4A,-4B, -4C, -4D, -4E, -4F
010-01431-01
G600
010-00769-70, -43, -A1
010-01431-01
G500
010-00769-70, -44, -A1
010-01431-01
G500H
010-00769-70, -4A, -4B, -4C,-4D, -4E, -4F, -AA, -AB, -AC, -AD, -AE, -AF
010-01431-01
GTN 750, GTN 750H, GTN 725, GTN 650, GTN 650H, GTN 635, GTN 635H, GTN 625
010-00900-00, -10, -20, -30, 010-01157-00, -41, -42, -43, -44, -45, -46
010-01431-01
© 2015 Garmin Ltd. or its subsidiaries.
This work is licensed under a
Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License.
Service Advisory 1506
April 9, 2015
Page 1 of 7
Replacement card part number 010-01431-00 is an 8GB micro SD card with adapter, and 010-01431-01
is an 8 GB SD card. G1000, G950, and G900X must have software version 8.20 or later in order to
support the specified replacement card. G600/G500 must have GDU 620 software version 3.00 or
later in order to support the specified replacement card. G500H must have GDU 620 software
version 4.00 or later in order to support the replacement card. All other products are fully compatible
with the specified replacement cards.
Tables 2-5 below outline the databases to be downloaded to the spare supplemental database card to
make it equivalent to the factory provided data card.
Table 2: G5000, G5000H, G3000, G2000 Data Card Databases
Original Part
Number SafeTaxi Terrain BaseMap Obstacle FliteCharts Airport
Directory
010-00474-44 United States Worldwide
(4.9 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe United States United States,
AOPA
Table 3: G1000, G1000H Data Card Databases
Original Part
Number SafeTaxi Terrain BaseMap Obstacle FliteCharts Airport
Directory
010-00330-41 N/A Worldwide
(30 Arc Second)
N/A US/Europe N/A United States,
AOPA
010-00330-42 United States Worldwide
(30 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe United States United States,
AOPA
010-00330-43 United States Worldwide
(9 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe United States United States,
AOPA
010-00330-45 United States Worldwide
(4.9 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe United States United States,
AOPA
010-00330-4A United States Americas-North
(6 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00330-4B United States Americas-South
(6 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00330-4C United States Atlantic-North
(6 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00330-4D United States Atlantic-South
(6 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00330-4E United States Pacific-North
(6 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00330-4F United States Pacific-South
(6 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
Service Advisory 1506
April 9, 2015
Page 2 of 7
Table 4: G600, G500, G500H Data Card Databases
Original Part
Number SafeTaxi Terrain BaseMap Obstacle FliteCharts Airport
Directory
010-00769-70 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
010-00769-43 United States Worldwide
(9 Arc Second)
N/A US/Europe United States N/A
010-00769-44 United States Worldwide
(9 Arc Second)
N/A US/Europe United States N/A
010-00769-4A United States Americas-North
(6 Arc Second)
N/A US/Europe
(Heli)
United States N/A
010-00769-4B United States Americas-South
(6 Arc Second)
N/A US/Europe
(Heli)
United States N/A
010-00769-4C United States Atlantic-North
(6 Arc Second)
N/A US/Europe
(Heli)
United States N/A
010-00769-4D United States Atlantic-South
(6 Arc Second)
N/A US/Europe
(Heli)
United States N/A
010-00769-4E United States Pacific-North
(6 Arc Second)
N/A US/Europe
(Heli)
United States N/A
010-00769-4F United States Pacific-South
(6 Arc Second)
N/A US/Europe
(Heli)
United States N/A
010-00769-A1 Full Coverage Worldwide
(4.9 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe United States United States,
AOPA
010-00769-AA Full Coverage Americas-North
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00769-AB Full Coverage Americas-South
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00769-AC Full Coverage Atlantic-North
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00769-AD Full Coverage Atlantic-South
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00769-AE Full Coverage Pacific-North
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
010-00769-AF Full Coverage Pacific-South
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States United States,
AOPA
Note 1: 010-00769-70 is used for transferring Navigation databases into the GDU 620.
Note 2: The 4.9 Arc Second and 2.5 Arc Second Terrain databases are only compatible with GDU 620
Software Version 7.00 and later.
Note 3: Flygarmin.com will request the GDU 620 Main Software Version to ensure the appropriate
Obstacle database is downloaded.
Service Advisory 1506
April 9, 2015
Page 3 of 7
Table 5: GTN 750, GTN 750H, GTN 725, GTN 650, GTN 650H, GTN 635, GTN 635H, GTN 625
Data Card Databases
Original Part
Number Navigation SafeTaxi Terrain BaseMap Obstacle FliteCharts
010-00900-00 N/A Full Coverage Worldwide
(9 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe United States
010-00900-10 Americas Full Coverage Worldwide
(9 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe United States
010-00900-20 International Full Coverage Worldwide
(9 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe United States
010-00900-30 Worldwide Full Coverage Worldwide
(9 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe United States
010-01157-00 N/A Full Coverage Americas-North
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States
010-01157-41 Americas (Heli) Full Coverage Americas-North
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States
010-01157-42 Americas (Heli) Full Coverage Americas-South
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States
010-01157-43 International Full Coverage Atlantic-North
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States
010-01157-44 International Full Coverage Atlantic-South
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States
010-01157-45 International Full Coverage Pacific-North
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States
010-01157-46 International Full Coverage Pacific-South
(2.5 Arc Second)
Worldwide US/Europe
(Heli)
United States
Note 1: The 2.5 Arc Second Terrain databases are only compatible with GTN Main Software Version
4.00 and later.
Note 2: Each database card is shipped from the factory loaded with two different versions of the obstacle
database to support all GTN Main Software Versions. Flygarmin.com will request the GTN Main
Software Version to ensure the appropriate Obstacle database is downloaded.
Table 6: Additional and alternate database options available
Database Name Database Loaded on Original Part
Number
Additional/Alternate Database
Airport Directory United States AOPA AC-U-KWIK Americas, Atlantic, Pacific, or
Worldwide
FliteCharts United States Eastern US, Western US, Central US,
Canada, or Europe
Jeppesen ChartView (See Note 1) Not originally loaded Jeppesen ChartView approach plates
(carious coverage options available)
SafeTaxi United States or Full Coverage North America, Canada, Europe, United
States, Full Coverage
Obstacle US/Europe (Heli) US/Europe (Heli with Power Lines)
Note 1: Separate enablement required for ChartView functionality.
Service Advisory 1506
April 9, 2015
Page 4 of 7
Instructions for Updating Databases on a Spare Supplemental Data Card from flyGarmin.com
Please note the databases that need to be downloaded to the spare supplemental data card from the
tables on the previous pages.
1. Navigate to www.flyGarmin.com, and log in with your username and password. If an account has
not been created, click on the Create One link.
2. Once logged in, click on the Aircraft tab at the top of the page. If you have not added an aircraft
yet, click on the ‘Add a New Aircraft’ tab on the right side of the page.
3. Below your aircraft information, you will see your avionics (G1000, GTN 7xx, etc.). If you have
not added your avionics, click the link to ‘Add a New Aircraft Device’, and enter the System ID
number.
Service Advisory 1506
April 9, 2015
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4. Click on a database, listed in the column to the left of the avionics information. This gives you the
option to purchase a database, and, if a database has already been purchased, to install the
database. Click Install.
5. The next page allows you to simultaneously install any additional databases you may own.
Depending on your device, select the appropriate databases and cycles, and select Install again.
Service Advisory 1506
April 9, 2015
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6. The last step is the 1, 2, 3 page. Once the Communicator Plugin is detected (if not downloaded
to your computer, you will be given a chance to download this), connect your SD card to your
computer. Step 2 will find the SD card, and once it does, click Begin Update on Step 3. Agree to
the terms and the download will commence.
Once the approved replacement data card has been programmed using the steps above, it can be used in
your Garmin avionics the same as the factory supplied SD card.
Service Advisory 1506
April 9, 2015
Page 7 of 7

Posted
7 hours ago, Bob_Belville said:

Anyone investigating the Flight Stream 510? It replaces the SD card in the 650/750, allows updating data via wifi or bluetooth and more. 

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/in-the-air/government_military/government_military_connectivity/flight-stream-510/prod155337.html

I upgraded yesterday.  Briefly considered Flight Stream 510 vs 210.  Installed 210 as I wanted the AHRS it provides.  Installed price is about the same for the two, per Smart Avionics.   510 is faster to install but it costs more to buy.  

Posted
Just now, Jerry 5TJ said:

I upgraded yesterday.  Briefly considered Flight Stream 510 vs 210.  Installed 210 as I wanted the AHRS it provides.  Installed price is about the same for the two, per Smart Avionics.   510 is faster to install but it costs more to buy.  

Jerry, according to the Garmin Connext brochure I picked up last week @ KOSH the 510 does all that the 210 does except 430/530 compatibility. It adds "Database Concierge" and "Voice and Text Control". (The 210 and the 510 have "Attitude Information" and "two way flight plan transfer" which the 110 does not.) 

Posted
41 minutes ago, Bob_Belville said:

Jerry, according to the Garmin Connext brochure I picked up last week @ KOSH the 510 does all that the 210 does except 430/530 compatibility. It adds "Database Concierge" and "Voice and Text Control". (The 210 and the 510 have "Attitude Information" and "two way flight plan transfer" which the 110 does not.) 

I think it is in the fine print Bob " Adding to the wireless versatility of Flight Stream 510, GPS location information from the GTN navigators can be shared to display precise position information within mobile devices. Customers who have a G500/G600 glass flight display paired with a GTN 650/750 can also display back-up attitude information within Garmin Pilot and ForeFlight Mobile. The Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS) from the G500/G600 is utilized to display dynamic pitch and bank information within these apps. "

The way I read that, it will port over the G500 AHRS information to the apps. The 210 has its own AHRS, the 510 needs to get it from the G500/G600 or a GTX-345. If you have a GDL-88 like Jerry does, you would want the 210.

Posted
Just now, Marauder said:

I think it is in the fine print Bob " Adding to the wireless versatility of Flight Stream 510, GPS location information from the GTN navigators can be shared to display precise position information within mobile devices. Customers who have a G500/G600 glass flight display paired with a GTN 650/750 can also display back-up attitude information within Garmin Pilot and ForeFlight Mobile. The Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS) from the G500/G600 is utilized to display dynamic pitch and bank information within these apps. "

The way I read that, it will port over the G500 AHRS information to the apps. The 210 has its own AHRS, the 510 needs to get it from the G500/G600 or a GTX-345. If you have a GDL-88 like Jerry does, you would want the 210.

This is the description of the 110/210. The 210 "...using an on-board AHRS". That's ambiguous but I would understand it to mean that the 210 does not have built in AHRS. Why wouldn't the 510 have the same capacity. 

"Part of the Garmin Connext™ family of flight connectivity solutions, the Flight Stream 110/210 is a small wireless gateway that is easily installed in your aircraft, enabling a combination of up to 4 compatible tablets or phones to stream information to and from your avionics system via Bluetooth®. The Flight Stream 110 offers GPS, attitude, weather and traffic streaming from the GDL 88 ADS-B datalink and GDL 69 SiriusXM™ datalink, while the Flight Stream 210 adds the capability for flight plan syncing with the GTN 750/650 series and GNS 430W/530W series navigators as well as the ability to display attitude information using an on-board AHRS¹.

Posted
7 minutes ago, Bob_Belville said:
30 minutes ago, Marauder said:
Just now, Marauder said: I think it is in the fine print Bob " Adding to the wireless versatility of Flight Stream 510, GPS location information from the GTN navigators can be shared to display precise position information within mobile devices. Customers who have a G500/G600 glass flight display paired with a GTN 650/750 can also display back-up attitude information within Garmin Pilot and ForeFlight Mobile. The Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS) from the G500/G600 is utilized to display dynamic pitch and bank information within these apps. "

The way I read that, it will port over the G500 AHRS information to the apps. The 210 has its own AHRS, the 510 needs to get it from the G500/G600 or a GTX-345. If you have a GDL-88 like Jerry does, you would want the 210.

This is the description of the 110/210. The 210 "...using an on-board AHRS". That's ambiguous but I would understand it to mean that the 210 does not have built in AHRS. Why wouldn't the 510 have the same capacity. 

"Part of the Garmin Connext family of flight connectivity solutions, the Flight Stream 110/210 is a small wireless gateway that is easily installed in your aircraft, enabling a combination of up to 4 compatible tablets or phones to stream information to and from your avionics system via Bluetooth. The Flight Stream 110 offers GPS, attitude, weather and traffic streaming from the GDL 88 ADS-B datalink and GDL 69 SiriusXM datalink, while the Flight Stream 210 adds the capability for flight plan syncing with the GTN 750/650 series and GNS 430W/530W series navigators as well as the ability to display attitude information using an on-board AHRS¹.

What I think it means is the FlightStream 210 has its own "onboard" AHRS. The FlightStream 510 being just an SD chip on steroids doesn't have an AHRS but can relay AHRS from the G500 or RTX-345.

Last bullet on the features list:

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/in-the-air/general-aviation/connectivity/flight-stream-110-210/prod153681.html

Fourth bullet down:

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/in-the-air/general-aviation/connectivity/flight-stream-510/prod155337.html

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Marauder said:

What I think it means is the FlightStream 210 has its own "onboard" AHRS. The FlightStream 510 being just an SD chip on steroids doesn't have an AHRS but can relay AHRS from the G500 or RTX-345.

Last bullet on the features list:

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/in-the-air/general-aviation/connectivity/flight-stream-110-210/prod153681.html

Fourth bullet down:

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/in-the-air/general-aviation/connectivity/flight-stream-510/prod155337.html

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You're probably right though the comparison chart on the 510 page checks off "attitude" information on both devices.

Posted
5 hours ago, Bob_Belville said:

You're probably right though the comparison chart on the 510 page checks off "attitude" information on both devices.

I asked at Garmin booth at OSH & was told 510 ports data from my G500's AHRS while 210 has its own internal AHRS. 

A clue: The FS210 box has a label showing which end must face forward.  

Both versions will put attitude information on ForeFlight or Garmin Pilot.  The difference is the source of data.  Agree with Bob the comparison matrix in sales brochure is a tad misleading.  

Now that I have 3 independent AHRS if one fails I can "vote 2 out of 3" to identify the bad unit.  That's if a 'gyro' fails and Built In Self Test (BIST) also fails to detect problem and X out display.  I know, yes, this redundancy is getting into the six sigma range of downright unlikely to be needed.

 

Posted
5 hours ago, Bob_Belville said: You're probably right though the comparison chart on the 510 page checks off "attitude" information on both devices.

I asked at Garmin booth at OSH & was told 510 ports data from my G500's AHRS while 210 has its own internal AHRS. 

A clue: The FS210 box has a label showing which end must face forward.  

Both versions will put attitude information on ForeFlight or Garmin Pilot.  The difference is the source of data.  Agree with Bob the comparison matrix in sales brochure is a tad misleading.  

Now that I have 3 independent AHRS if one fails I can "vote 2 out of 3" to identify the bad unit.  That's if a 'gyro' fails and Built In Self Test (BIST) also fails to detect problem and X out display.  I know, yes, this redundancy is getting into the six sigma range of downright unlikely to be needed.

 

Maybe I should go for the 210 so I can 4 total!

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Posted
13 hours ago, Marauder said:

 

How much was the installed price for the 210? The 510 is a $1500 SD card. I don't know how they got both Bluetooth and WiFi on it, but they did. One thing the 210 gives you that the 510 doesn't is the AHRS. I think they launched this to complement the RTX-345 which I believe has an AHRS built into it. Smart move, just wish it wasn't $1500.

The installed price (remember I was in Guatemala...) was less than 1500. I don't remember the exact cost because it was part of a package with the GDL 88 and the GTN 650. I have to admit that I like the functionality of the AHRS in the 210, but at the same time not to have to remember to update the database and chars...

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Posted
Other than Garmin Pilot, are there any APPS out there that would have just an dedicated Attitude Indicator that can connect to the FS 210 AHRS?

I think the only other app that works with it is ForeFlight.

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Posted
Just now, flyboy0681 said:

Other than Garmin Pilot, are there any APPS out there that would have just an dedicated Attitude Indicator that can connect to the FS 210 AHRS?

ForeFlight, Garmin Pilot and of course the 795.

Posted
1 hour ago, Oscar Avalle said:

ForeFlight, Garmin Pilot and of course the 795.

I was hoping there was a dedicated APP which tied into the output of the 210's AHRS. I've always thought that in a pinch having an iPhone taped in front of a dead AI would be better than nothing, although not exactly legal.

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