Oscar Avalle Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I need to buy two nava data cards for my GTN 650 and 750. Garmin tells me that I have to go through their dealer any other idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmyfm20s Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Generic cards work just fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I need to buy two nava data cards for my GTN 650 and 750. Garmin tells me that I have to go through their dealer any other idea... Steal mine when I'm not looking? Try Jeppesen to see if they have them. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 hours ago, kmyfm20s said: Generic cards work just fine! That hasn't been my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryb Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Generic cards work in my unit. However to comply with the STC you must use a Garmin card. So it works but is not strictly legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capthaak Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 How much are they? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Avalle Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 How much are they? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Good question, somebody knows? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 How much are they?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Good question, somebody knows? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They are over $150 each from a Garmin source. I looked on the Jepp site and it doesn't look like they carry them: http://jeppdirect.jeppesen.com/main/corporate/eSearch/products.jsp?Ntk=All&Ntt=GTN+datacard Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I need to buy two nava data cards for my GTN 650 and 750. Garmin tells me that I have to go through their dealer any other idea... Oscar, why do you need to buy these cards? You should have gotten 4 of them with new units. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmyfm20s Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 To buy an extra for the G500 they wanted $99 and it's a 8GB. I still have my original cards and have some old cards from cameras that I simply reformatted and used. I alternate between the 2 when updating. For the GTN I think you only need 4GB but I have an 8 and a 16GB which work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Avalle Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I need to buy two nava data cards for my GTN 650 and 750. Garmin tells me that I have to go through their dealer any other idea... Oscar, why do you need to buy these cards? You should have gotten 4 of them with new units. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Somehow two got corrupted and stopped working Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhop Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Oscar Avalle said: Somehow two got corrupted and stopped working Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You may be able to revive them by trying the following: DISKPART (Windows) Start a command prompt, and start the DISKPART console. List all of your disks by typing LIST DISK, then select the proper disk with SELECT DISK # (where # is the SD card). You can then type CLEAN to clear the partition table on the card, effectively blanking it. MAKE SURE YOU SELECTED THE PROPER DISK BEFORE RUNNING THE CLEAN COMMAND! To create a primary partition to reuse the space on the card, type CREATE PARTITION PRIMARY. This will then reallocate the previously "cleaned" space. To format, type FORMAT FS=FAT32 QUICK, and finally, to reassign a drive letter, type ASSIGN. If you're unable to determine the proper disk, remove the SD card, run DISKPART and LIST DISK, and then re-run it with the SD card inserted. The SD card is just the disk that has been added. Note that the above commands are not case sensitive; I used caps to match the convention DISKPART displays. FDISK / CFDISK (Linux/Mac) In a terminal, start fdisk /dev/sdx where /dev/sdx is your SD card device (may depend on the Linux distro you're using, see below). You can then delete all existing partitions on the device by typing d, and then adding a single new partition & format it. You an also just type n to create a new partition table, and start laying everything out. cfdisk is also another viable tool, which is basically fdisk with a greatly improved user interface. In both cases, once the drive is formatted, you will lastly need to mount it. If you're unable to determine the proper device, remove the SD card, run fdisk -l, and then re-run it with the SD card inserted. The SD card is just the device that has been added. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Avalle Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Thanks!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhop Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 On 1/23/2016 at 1:51 PM, Oscar Avalle said: Thanks!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Oscar, Did my previous post work for you? I have figured out how to clone my Garmin SD card with a generic and it works just like kmyfm20s has said. Let me know if you still need a card and I'll send you one of my cloned cards with an out of date data source... or I can write up a step by step process to clone a known good card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 On 1/23/2016 at 4:43 PM, Oscar Avalle said: Somehow two got corrupted and stopped working Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Mine were corrupted after a software update had a bug that failed to clear old data. Just reformat the SD card and it should work fine. But according to my avionics shop we don't really need Garmin SD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co2bruce Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Bob I believe to be IFR "legal" it needs to be a Garmin card. That's assuming you are ramp checked after an IFR flight and they pull the data card to check. That all being said the data is downloaded to the unit and I don't know if the card is necessary for operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, co2bruce said: Bob I believe to be IFR "legal" it needs to be a Garmin card. That's assuming you are ramp checked after an IFR flight and they pull the data card to check. That all being said the data is downloaded to the unit and I don't know if the card is necessary for operation. I believe the flight charts are not resident in the 750. Most, perhaps all, the other material is. OTOH, I think all the files, including approach plates, are loaded into the portable 696. (I.e., except check lists created with Garmin ACE), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenL757 Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 15 minutes ago, co2bruce said: Bob I believe to be IFR "legal" it needs to be a Garmin card. That's assuming you are ramp checked after an IFR flight and they pull the data card to check. That all being said the data is downloaded to the unit and I don't know if the card is necessary for operation. Actually, I had this discussion several weeks ago with my avionics shop and also my instructor (an FAA regional manager for NextGen and Inspector). They don't care what badge is on the physical card - only the source and quality of the data on the card. I have about 6 or 7 cards I rotate among my 750 and G500 so I have a second set in case any are corrupt, and only three of them are "Garmin"-marked cards. As long as you format the cards to a FAT32 standard (for non-tech folks, it's a pulldown line within the "Format" option after right-clicking the drive letter associated with your card on your PC), the card will work if the data is copied in its entirety, assuming an undamaged card. There is nothing unique or proprietary about the Garmin-labelled cards, contrary to popular belief. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DXB Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, StevenL757 said: Actually, I had this discussion several weeks ago with my avionics shop and also my instructor (an FAA regional manager for NextGen and Inspector). They don't care what badge is on the physical card - only the source and quality of the data on the card. I have about 6 or 7 cards I rotate among my 750 and G500 so I have a second set in case any are corrupt, and only three of them are "Garmin"-marked cards. As long as you format the cards to a FAT32 standard (for non-tech folks, it's a pulldown line within the "Format" option after right-clicking the drive letter associated with your card on your PC), the card will work if the data is copied in its entirety, assuming an undamaged card. There is nothing unique or proprietary about the Garmin-labelled cards, contrary to popular belief. This is good to know. I'm not sure which is more obscene - Garmin making the cards proprietary for no reason or their trying to sell you a regular non-proprietary card thinking it's special for $100. And the NAV data subscription business is a colossal racket And the Garmin software to update the cards monthly is simply horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Avalle Posted August 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 10 hours ago, Bob_Belville said: Mine were corrupted after a software update had a bug that failed to clear old data. Just reformat the SD card and it should work fine. But according to my avionics shop we don't really need Garmin SD. I agree and for a while I was using a normal card, but then in another forum the issue came up and it seems that we are only legal if we use Garmin cards... Oscar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Just now, Oscar Avalle said: I agree and for a while I was using a normal card, but then in another forum the issue came up and it seems that we are only legal if we use Garmin cards... Oscar The differing opinions are interesting. I've never tried this, but once the data is loaded will the system work with the card removed from the unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 BTW, anyone who has a Garmin subscription should check out the new pricing of Onepak. It is worth converting even if you are not at an anniversary. I saved several hundred dollars and got more data on more devices by calling Garmin and converting. (There's an earlier thread on the subject started by Don Kaye.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co2bruce Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 I thought the card said TSO on it. I would love a definitive answer because standard cards are 1/10th the price. Learn something new everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Just now, co2bruce said: I thought the card said TSO on it. I would love a definitive answer because standard cards are 1/10th the price. Learn something new everyday. I don't "know" for sure. However my avionics shop is a real stickler for staying legal and they are the folks who told me i could use a generic SD card. As it turned out the corrupted Garmin cards that i assumed I would have to replace were fine after reformatting. IOW, there is nothing on the SD that has to be preserved and fell free to clean it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co2bruce Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 thats good to know, someone lost one of my cards. I've been using one Garmin one generic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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