Flight Stream 210

[ArtVandelay]

Will the Flight Stream 210 only work with a Garmin Pilot subscription? The main reason I was considering a FS 210 is to upload flight plans without having to twist knobs on my 430W.

One of the avionics shops I spoke with said there is a free version Garmin has that will allow you to upload flight plans without a Garmin Pilot subscription. I just paid for a 3 year subscription to Wing X Pro last year.

So you won't get traffic or WX either, and without Jeppson charts you won't be able to do SIDS, STARS, approaches as well

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[donkaye]

So you won't get traffic or WX either, and without Jeppson charts you won't be able to do SIDS, STARS, approaches as well

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The Flight Stream 210 is a small Gateway box to allow transfers of information from other Garmin Products.  It can be connected to a GTN or GNS (GPS Position Source for the iPad) and GDL 88 ( Active and/or ADS-B traffic and weather to the iPad ) and GDL 69A (XM weather and XM Radio to the iPad).  Additionally it has a build in AHARS so you get attitude information on the iPad.  Frankly I like Garmin Pilot.  Its icons mimic the operation of the GTN series of navigators.

 

You are confused about the Jeppesen product.  You need the $100 subscription to Jeppesen Nav database to be able to have SIDS, and Stars available.  Approaches do not require the Jepp Nav Database.

[Marauder]

The Flight Stream 210 is a small Gateway box to allow transfers of information from other Garmin Products. It can be connected to a GTN (GPS Position Source for the iPad) and GDL 88 ( Active and/or ADS-B traffic and weather to the iPad ) and GDL 69A (XM weather and XM Radio to the iPad). Additional it has a build in AHARS so you get attitude information on the iPad. Frankly I like Garmin Pilot. Its icons mimic the operation of the GTN series of navigators.

You are confused about the Jeppesen product. You need the $100 subscription to Jeppesen Nav database to be able to have SIDS, and Stars available. Approaches do not require the Jepp Nav Database.

Don- can you elaborate? I have SIDS and STARS in my GTN database. Is the Jepp database needed on Garmin Pilot to be able to download and transfer the SITS and STARS to the GTN from Garmin Pilot?

[kmyfm20s]

Don- can you elaborate? I have SIDS and STARS in my GTN database. Is the Jepp database needed on Garmin Pilot to be able to download and transfer the SITS and STARS to the GTN from Garmin Pilot?

I not Don and my FS210 is being installed next month but as far as I know you cant send SIDS and STARS to the GTN with out the subscription. I believe when you add either to the flight plan via the GTN the waypoints will be sent back to the IPad. If that is the case I'm fine with out the subscription because those have always been assigned to me after I receive my clearance and my flight plan has been entered. Its very seldom do I get SIDS and STARS where I fly.

[Marauder]

I not Don and my FS210 is being installed next month but as far as I know you cant send SIDS and STARS to the GTN with out the subscription. I believe when you add either to the flight plan via the GTN the waypoints will be sent back to the IPad. If that is the case I'm fine with out the subscription because those have always been assigned to me after I receive my clearance and my flight plan has been entered. Its very seldom do I get SIDS and STARS where I fly.

Thanks for the explanation! I agree, I haven't had one of them assigned in quite a while.

SID out of Philly:

[donkaye]

Don- can you elaborate? I have SIDS and STARS in my GTN database. Is the Jepp database needed on Garmin Pilot to be able to download and transfer the SITS and STARS to the GTN from Garmin Pilot?

 

Garmin Pilot says to UPLOAD SIDS AND STARS you need matching databases meaning the purchase of the Jepp Nav database subscription.

[TWinter]

Dropped my plane off yesterday for the install of the GDL-88 and FS210. They called this morning and are getting started. Anxious to give a PIREP and check it out for myself. Should be done in 2-3 days.

[ArtVandelay]

Dropped my plane off yesterday for the install of the GDL-88 and FS210. They called this morning and are getting started. Anxious to give a PIREP and check it out for myself. Should be done in 2-3 days.

Wow that's quick, mine is on its 3rd week for same work

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[TWinter]

@ teejayevans:

 

Not many advantages of living in a small town, but a few. Like a avionics shop 15 miles away that typically runs a six week wait for work. I've been waiting for my GDL-88 install since early December. I'm going over to the shop later in the day and want to look at the FS210. I really like the concept, but I also really like ForeFlight on my mini on the yoke. With the 210 I'm forced to use Garmins Pilot App. I know there is always the option of swapping apps while flying, but from a utilitarian point of view and my type of flying I just don't know if it is worth the $1400 extra.. I know I've posted back and forth, getting the 210 installed and then not getting the 210. My New Years 2015 resolution was to be more practical with my flying budget..I've not been doing very well.

 

First they are installing the Lasar Cowl Enclosure, then they will pull it apart for the GDL-88. I figure that will be on day 2, so I have today to decide on the FStream. The shop owner said he would send the FS210 back if I opted to pass and just go GDL-88. No big deal to send it back.

 

I've just committed to a week long aerobatic course for late May that requires a heavy deposit to hold my training week..so the checkbook is getting thin. Priorities and decisions

[donkaye]

@ teejayevans:

 

Not many advantages of living in a small town, but a few. Like a avionics shop 15 miles away that typically runs a six week wait for work. I've been waiting for my GDL-88 install since early December. I'm going over to the shop later in the day and want to look at the FS210. I really like the concept, but I also really like ForeFlight on my mini on the yoke. With the 210 I'm forced to use Garmins Pilot App. I know there is always the option of swapping apps while flying, but from a utilitarian point of view and my type of flying I just don't know if it is worth the $1400 extra.. I know I've posted back and forth, getting the 210 installed and then not getting the 210. My New Years 2015 resolution was to be more practical with my flying budget..I've not been doing very well.

 

First they are installing the Lasar Cowl Enclosure, then they will pull it apart for the GDL-88. I figure that will be on day 2, so I have today to decide on the FStream. The shop owner said he would send the FS210 back if I opted to pass and just go GDL-88. No big deal to send it back.

 

I've just committed to a week long aerobatic course for late May that requires a heavy deposit to hold my training week..so the checkbook is getting thin. Priorities and decisions

 

Personally, I really like the Garmin Pilot App.  Just like getting used to a glass cockpit it might take a little time, but the app is really very good , and if you are used to the GTN 750, it is even easier to pick up.

[ArtVandelay]

Personally, I really like the Garmin Pilot App. Just like getting used to a glass cockpit it might take a little time, but the app is really very good , and if you are used to the GTN 750, it is even easier to pick up.

+1

I like their flight charts better then the government charts.

I don't like the trip function at all. They have syncing problems, you can't delete the active trip, you can't invert a trip, must activate the flightplan, then invert it, and it would be nice of it to have a smart trip planner: you give to & from airports and it figures out best route and altitude based on forecasted winds and previously ATC routes

[Andy95W]

+1

I like their flight charts better then the government charts.

I don't like the trip function at all. They have syncing problems, you can't delete the active trip, you can't invert a trip, must activate the flightplan, then invert it, and it would be nice of it to have a smart trip planner: you give to & from airports and it figures out best route and altitude based on forecasted winds and previously ATC routes

Agreed. Prefer Garmin Pilot in every way EXCEPT flight planning.

[GeorgePerry]

One issue I do have with the 430 / GDL88/ FS210 combo is that users will also have to buy Jeppesen subscription for their Garmin Pilot app in addition to the Jeppesen subscription for the GNS for the app to be able to xfer flight plans etc to the 430.  They get you coming and going

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-zWyCt1tv4

[ArtVandelay]

One issue I do have with the 430 / GDL88/ FS210 combo is that users will also have to buy Jeppesen subscription for their Garmin Pilot app in addition to the Jeppesen subscription for the GNS for the app to be able to xfer flight plans etc to the 430. They get you coming and going

If you don't fly into class Bs, isn't your chance of getting a STAR,SID close to zero?

[TWinter]

Just got back from the shop..After some price haggling and jack jawing I convinced him to cut some fat off the labor price. Flightstream 210 will be going in. I can learn to like the Garmin Pilot App. At least if I do it now they won't have to pull the 750 if I decided I wanted it later. Promise not to post another change in plans..

 

Next post will be a PIREP on the GDL-88 and FS210, possibly a copy of my bankruptcy notice.

[donkaye]

One issue I do have with the 430 / GDL88/ FS210 combo is that users will also have to buy Jeppesen subscription for their Garmin Pilot app in addition to the Jeppesen subscription for the GNS for the app to be able to xfer flight plans etc to the 430.  They get you coming and going

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-zWyCt1tv4

My understanding is that the Jepp Nav Database is only required if you want to transfer Arrival and Departure procedures between units.  Flight plans without these procedures should transfer normally.

[GeorgePerry]

I haven't verified yet, as I've heard for sure that SIDs and STARS don't xfer, and flight plans may also have some issues depending on the complexity of the route.  I'll see when it's up and running

[TWinter]

GDL88 done as well as the FS210. The shop had some software updates to finish on my GTN750. I've spent time this week practicing with the Garmin Pilot App.  I'll be picking it up tomorrow. Pirep soon to follow.

[ArtVandelay]

GDL88 done as well as the FS210. The shop had some software updates to finish on my GTN750. I've spent time this week practicing with the Garmin Pilot App. I'll be picking it up tomorrow. Pirep soon to follow.

Me too, I found for the it to sync up you have to be system->Bluetooth status page. There is no doc that comes with the 210.

[TWinter]

Picked 41M up today. I did not get much time to work with it, but I did get about 20 minutes. First impression. Great connectivity and easy Bluetooth connection. My avionics shop opted to mount the flightstream box on the hat shelf. I also have a 12v receptacle and plug in for a trickle charger in the same area so it all worked out well. He thought the shelf mount would be a better point for BT connection since there was mention/reference in the installation material about installing and interference with surrounding metal etc.

 

First impression is the BT sync is quick and effortless. I just did a few VFR flight routes transferring from IPad to GTN750 and vice versa. Worked great.

I usually fly with IPad mini, I tried using Ipad mini and full size. It was actually much nicer on the full-size. One thing that was pretty cool was that when you have them synced up the GTN-750 has a limited traffic view ring. While the IPad will let you spread the traffic view much wider. It is just as detailed as using a Stratus or GDL 39. Maybe I'm still learning, but it was good to be able to see outside the max traffic circle that the GTN750 displays The traffic it was picking up on the Ipad was the same as the GTN750, but the Ipad shows everything the GTN750, but also all the surrounding traffic well beyond the ring display of the GTN750.. That's the quick and short. I plan to play tomorrow, so this was just a quick initial toying around in about 20 minutes of flight.

[Piloto]

I think I am totally disconnected on this subject of "Connectivity". But what is wrong on having your flight plan written on a piece of paper? If I had a GTN-750 why would I need an Ipad?. After all the first waypoints on your FLP are going to be different when you get the clearance. I have a GNS 530W and never had any problems with FLP entry, SIDs, STARS and approaches. I don't even have a tablet, just a smartphone and small notebook. The small notebook and the pencil is $3 at Office Depot. I am waiting for Garmin's telepathic connectivity.

 

José  

[Bob_Belville]

I think I am totally disconnected on this subject of "Connectivity". But what is wrong on having your flight plan written on a piece of paper? If I had a GTN-750 why would I need an Ipad?. After all the first waypoints on your FLP are going to be different when you get the clearance. I have a GNS 530W and never had any problems with FLP entry, SIDs, STARS and approaches. I don't even have a tablet, just a smartphone and small notebook. The small notebook and the pencil is $3 at Office Depot. I am waiting for Garmin's telepathic connectivity.

 

José  

I too am puzzled. I have a 750. I scribble clearances, route changes, on a scrap of paper long enough to get them into the 750 which takes a few seconds. Zero need for an electronic notepad. 

[TWinter]

@Piloto

 

I guess I'm just making up for lost years of technology. When I got my PPL almost 25 yrs ago we had no GPS, no IPad and yes, I spent plenty of time with a scribble pad. At that time I don't even think a kneeboard was overly popular other than commercial and military. If I recall I just used a spiral bound notebook of paper.

 

I  guess right now I'm just catching up on what I missed over the years of not flying. Being a gadget guy and having options is appealing. The benefit for me is being able to use the 750 to display route of flight and also using the Ipad to display separate screens or even split screens (ie. traffic, weather or find frequencies). It's also easier to manipulate the IPad on the yoke in turbulent air.

 

I think many guys use a panel mount of some sort and a IPad for additional display. I did not get the Flightstream to be able to quickly modify clearances, flight plans or take notes. I don't care what Garmin says, it is difficult in turbulence to push the right buttons on the touchscreen on the 750, on the other hand it's a great GPS with endless optional display.

 

Typically the GTN will display one screen (the flight plan), the Ipad will used to display traffic and weather...I think Bob uses a similar set up with his 750 and 796. I find the scribble pad  option on the Ipad useless and still have a kneeboard for that task. Is it overkill? You bet!, but I like the gadgets.

[Marauder]

@Piloto

I guess I'm just making up for lost years of technology. When I got my PPL almost 25 yrs ago we had no GPS, no IPad and yes, I spent plenty of time with a scribble pad. At that time I don't even think a kneeboard was overly popular other than commercial and military. If I recall I just used a spiral bound notebook of paper.

I guess right now I'm just catching up on what I missed over the years of not flying. Being a gadget guy having options is appealing. The benefit for me personally is being able to use the 750 to display route of flight, but also using the Ipad to display separate screens (ie. traffic, weather or find frequencies). it's easier to manipulate in turbulent air.

I think many guys use a panel mount of some sort and a IPad for additional display. I did not get the Flightstream to be able to quickly modify clearances, flight plans or take notes. I don't care what Garmin says, it is difficult in turbulence to push the right buttons on the touchscreen on the 750, on the other hand it's a great GPS.

I find It's easier to stable the hand on the yoke and tap the Ipad. Typically, the GTN will display one screen (the flight plan), the Ipad will display traffic and weather)...I think Bob uses a similar set up with his 750 and 796. I find the scribble pad option on the Ipad useless and still have a kneeboard for that task. Is it overkill? you bet, but I like the gadgets.

Now cut that talk out! You bought some cool technology and you WILL enjoy it! Don't let Bob and José convince you otherwise. I'm willing to bet that they are spending their Sunday afternoon putting up some new drawings in their caves.

Where the power of what you bought comes into play is the quick upload and synchronization of your portable and panel mounted hardware. As an example; when Bob stopped over and visited me last year, I gave him an ATC route I expected they would have given him. He filed it and was surprised by a major re-route including TEK routes.

If he was on Garmin Pilot, he would have gotten a notification that Marauder's route was not going to happen and the ATC route they gave him would have been offered for download to Garmin Pilot. It would then have been a matter of downloading it from Pilot to his 750/796. Instead, he was driving around in circles on my ramp trying to get the best reception for the RCO (BTW Bob - I now have a Philly landline that I use).

Another scenario is when you are in route and you get a re-route. You can simply quickly make the change as you suggest on Pilot and download. For me, the big advantage would be that once I updated my 650, I wouldn't need to go to Pilot and update it.

As for the touch screen, if you watch some of my videos, I have ridden the turbulence pony and know how sometimes it is harder to use. When it is that bad out, I find using the right knobs an easier way to enter information.

[donkaye]

I bought the Flight Stream 210 just because I was adding the AOA and thought it would be a good time to save some installation money by doing them at the same time.  I really never expected to use it much.  I find its AI to work very well, although I think they have labeled their Sky Mode and Ground Mode backwards, but I could be wrong.  It seems to disagree with that on the G500.  The flight plan updating is instantaneous with changes made on the 750 immediately showing up on the iPad for confirmation.  I've controlled the GDL 69A XM Radio from it easily, and the traffic information is more informative than that in the 750 in that it gives total targets tracking and what they are; Active, ADS-B, ADS-R, and TIS.  Mine is mounted in the avionics bay behind the luggage compartment and I have had no issue whatsoever in connectivity.  Additionally, Shirley seems to enjoy watching all the traffic with it on her lap.  It's a great addition to the cockpit.