1TJ Posted March 29, 2014 Report Posted March 29, 2014 Here is the first official statement from Continental. Ed Mattituck Services, a subsidiary of Continental Motors, has entered into a partnership with Aircraft Specialties Lubricants to study the potential benefits of continuous long term CAMGUARD use. The study will last approximately 18 months and will be limited to specific engines overhauled or repaired by Mattituck Services. Customers that wish to participate in the study will have very specific conditions and compliance requirements. The study will not affect factory new or rebuilt engines produced by Continental Motors. No specific details of the study are available at this time. Bill Ross Director, Product Support and Mattituck Services Continental Motors
Alan Fox Posted March 29, 2014 Report Posted March 29, 2014 A far cry from the ludicrous statements that Continental will not honor warranty claims unless Camguard is used......A FAR CRY !!!! 4
Rwsavory Posted March 29, 2014 Report Posted March 29, 2014 A far cry from the ludicrous statements that Continental will not honor warranty claims unless Camguard is used......A FAR CRY !!!! Yes indeed. Maybe they should leave PR to the experts.
1TJ Posted March 29, 2014 Author Report Posted March 29, 2014 A far cry from the ludicrous statements that Continental will not honor warranty claims unless Camguard is used......A FAR CRY !!!! "Customers that wish to participate in the study will have very specific conditions and compliance requirements." He worded it better than I did. Ed
Sabremech Posted March 29, 2014 Report Posted March 29, 2014 Is there a financial consideration given to those who want to participate in this study ? If not, no thanks. David 1
Alan Fox Posted March 29, 2014 Report Posted March 29, 2014 I think it is noble that Continental is willing to at least look at this , but until I see proof from a company like Continental or Lycoming , its all just speculation to me......I hope it does work....... 1
Sabremech Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 I'm with you N74795. I too would like to see it work, but an18 month trial isn't going to do it. I'm not sure how they could possibly simulate a 20 year low use engine in 18 months. I guess we can wait and see, but I'll still be very skeptical. David 2
MooneyBob Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 There are many institutions, labs, testing facilities and universities that can simulate and develop the corrosion in shorter time period and evaluate any effect of the substance that was applied to the material. It still takes a lot of time, money and serious science to draw any kind of conclusion but they should hire them to do the job. We shouldn't rely on the results provided by the parties who have any interest in the product. It should be done by an independent third party institution with good reputation.
Marauder Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 I'm with you N74795. I too would like to see it work, but an18 month trial isn't going to do it. I'm not sure how they could possibly simulate a 20 year low use engine in 18 months. I guess we can wait and see, but I'll still be very skeptical. David Exactly. The test parameters would be a challenge alone. Variation in atmospheric conditions for the test subjects not to mention how they operate the engine would all need to be monitored.
Alan Fox Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 My guess is that Cotinental will provide an unbiased opine from the data they collect , as far as long term projections , I am sure TCM has test data already(without Camguard) , that they can use as a control , and then project out the results based on the control data Vs. the new data .... Not rocket science....(unless they use a rocket conversion) haha....
PTK Posted March 30, 2014 Report Posted March 30, 2014 "Customers that wish to participate in the study will have very specific conditions and compliance requirements." He worded it better than I did. Ed You think? Nah! Well let's see. "Continental Motors will begin requiring the use of Camguard in all of their Mattituck overhauls and repaired engines to maintain their warranties." quite different from "Mattituck Services, a subsidiary of Continental Motors, has entered into a partnership with Aircraft Specialties Lubricants to study the potential benefits of continuous long term CAMGUARD use. The study will last approximately 18 months and will be limited to specific engines overhauled or repaired by Mattituck Services. Customers that wish to participate in the study will have very specific conditions and compliance requirements. The study will not affect factory new or rebuilt engines produced by Continental Motors.". There's such overwhelming disparity between the two statements that somehow I don't think it's as simple as "he worded it better than I did." Could it be that he didn't intentionally misrepresent the facts? 1
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