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Update: I purchased an 1970 “F” model and brought it home last week! I couldn’t be happier with whole process. I purchased the aircraft from All American Aircraft, Jimmy and David were great to work with! Ron Fisher did the prebuy, he was very helpful in explaining the process, maintenance, and nuances of the aircraft to a newbie like me. And a “thank you” goes out to all of you who took the time to write a response to my questions! Happy flying!

Hook up with @Hyett6420 He’s a respected regular here with a beautiful J model and a ton of GA experience in Europe. He’ll point you in the right direction! Tom

Yep, definitely an engineer drove the train. My Dad was a Conductor on the railroad but he didn’t play a musical instrument

Worse, than that... you can have a Degree in Engineering.. but If you have not passed the state PE (Professional Engineering) test you can't call yourself an Engineer in that state. TX was notorious for this. Usually only Engineering disciplines that were required to sign government paperwork would get the PE... therefore almost all Electrical Engineers don't have it.. Some MechE and ChemE have it.. and Almost all Civil Engineers have one..

Humans. Never cease to amaze and confound me. Mooneyspace, a place where humans go out of their way to be friendly until they are not. I have to ask: (because no one else will) “Seller, you have a human interested in your plane and you completely ignore his query.” Why would you do that? You are looking to sell your plane and reach out. A human communicates he is an interested buyer and you ignore him. Face palm. Ya, A broker is definitely the way you should go Sam.

Some more color on this issue- I performed about 12 high speed taxis. Issue reproduced the first couple of taxis. Third time around, the engine stayed alive but was surging from 38"mp to about 33, and it seemed to need more throttle than usual. Fourth time around and now we're getting somewhere, I ran the high speed with the low boost on. fuel flow seemed a little low but the surging was gone. it seemed to almost hold 36 as per normal. Throughout all of this, the fuel flow seemed too low- about 18-19GPH whereas it's normally about 23 GPH at 36". So, I suspect it's the mechanical pump is going (or has gone) bad. It's going in to the shop tomorrow to find out for sure, I'll report back to hopefully help someone out in the future. Related, who runs their M20K's with the low boost on for TO and landing? The POH says not to, but this experience gives me pause during those critical phases of flight.

I concur that a Rocket is very likely too big of a jump right now... If you truly have a year off, I'd look for a nice J and fly it as much as you can, get the instrument rating, and take your bride on some fun trips after you get a bit more experience. You might find a J fits your needs just fine, or you could move up from there. Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk

@SAMFOX, I think @MATTS875 is interested in talking to you about you plane

What if you pilot a train,I thought they were engineers

This is definitely the case in Canada. When Microsoft first came out with their 'Microsoft Systems Engineer' title, there was issues as they are not 'engineers' in the legal sense and do not have an engineering degree. Plus they didn't know the secret hand shake.... iain

Further update to keep you all in the loop. On replacing the pucks (if you recall i replaced them as part of the paint, but since we had had a heavy landing I was advised by Aeroskill to replace all the bolts in the landing gear, so took the opportunity to replace the pucks again as well. I will now know i have new bolts etc in the gear. On replacing the base plate in the pucks they removed the bushel and found a crack. So a quick phone call and order to our friends in Kerrville and the parts are already here. This was discovered on Thursday, Way to go Mooney. Speedy service. These are now being installed and apart form a new stall warner, she should be ready to fly tail end of next week. Obviously i will have to play politics a bit with the Engineers at Elstree but that's one of the hassles that I have had to deal with in this horrible saga of the prop strike. I was not allowed to have Aeroskill come across and inspect the plane and remove engine etc, so i was forced to use the only engineers on the airfield, who quoted at me regularly the famous line "you are not actually a customer of ours so you go to the back of the queue", hence it took til December 2017 for them to inspect the aircraft, and we lost three months. Now everything is being done sequentially, when to our mind, while the engine was being rebuilt, the landing gear could have been looked at, stall warner changed, then engine back on and ready to fly. Sorry just venting a little frustration... She is also out of Annual now so will have to be run in, flown to aeroskill for the annual and we waste a few more weeks. I might actually get to fly this year, but possible not! Good new is that i am writing an article for a flying magazine about how to choose a paint shop and what to make sure happens in a paint refresh. Andrew

manually follow a glide slope but its never been an issue as I rarely fly in low IMC if ever. The altitude hold is as good as anything I have flown in Boeings. It holds it to the foot smoothly.

And here I was being polite, sending your call out to Mikey so he'd see it and be able to answer with real information. To say nothin of my leaving out the adjective between "New York" and "City" . . . . . Those two cab rides convinced me that place ain't for me. Not that I had any doubt before that.

"I could have answered it for him"??? What I know about NYC could be written inside a matchbook with a grease pencil. Although last summer, I did take the airlines into LaGuardia and out of Kennedy, with non-terrifying cab rides over to the cruise ship pier. Why bkth airports? Ask Delta and the cruise line, the reservations were made for me . . . NYC ain't my style. Ask me about flying where you can file and receive Direct to Destination, and I can probably help. Where to base a plane around NYC? No freakin' idea . . . .

Thanks all for the comments and inputs...think I will make my way back to AAA at the EOM....just makes the most sense do to me having to travel, etc...

Update on the Mooney Book. Unfortunately, life intervened and my new job is eating up all my spare time. I am still working on it though and it will get done . . . eventually. Thanks and stay tuned, Tracy Ball

Its to bad a buyer does not care about this stuff.....unless of course he is selling an airplane...... You would think there is at least one buyer out there that understands how many months of downtime and labor time spent researching and $$ it takes to make a plane safe and sound. They all want the 30,000 dollar acclaim and then try to make you feel like they are doing you favor for buying it.

Steve, It isn’t the aircraft.... Mooney, Beech, or Cirri... Its the ability to cross multiple time zones in a single flight... using the flight levels The more powerful and complex the aircraft is, the more the pilot has to be experienced about sifting through the reams of data that are being thrown at you... continuously... The newbie pilot errors are typically VFR flight into IMC and running out of fuel... The experienced pilot runs into thunderstorms and icing conditions... Its the level of experience needed to avoid running into these situations. Read up on the accident reports to see where the pilots got into situations and became overwhelmed... The tragedies are usually a chain of events. The good news.... Breaking a single link, the chain stops... Examples of taking too many steps at one time... (are you familiar with baseball?) Catfish hunter, a low time pilot moved up to a private jet. Ended in tragedy... Cory Lidel, a low time pilot. Stalled a plane that had a safety parachute and flight instructor on board. Ended in tragedy... Roy Haladay, low time pilot. Crashed a plane that was designed to be stall resistant. Ended in tragedy... many accident reports have the last conversation with air traffic control recorded... you can literally hear the voice of the pilot in trouble. It takes more than following instructions. It takes Knowing when following instructions will lead to tragedy... a recent cirrus tragedy occurred when a Cirrus pilot followed the control tower’s advice to keep within a boundary... too much bank, too little speed... fatal accident... Around here, many people have reported starting with their private pilot license, near 100hrs experience, and then acquiring an M20C, F or J... then move up to their preferred next level... A few have purchased a Mooney to train in for their PPL. This skips some of the broader experience that is afforded by a trainer. At least one has purchased a Long body to train in... Everyone finds a level where the fun of flying gets removed... a powerful traveling machine can get you to that level quicker than anything else.... As a younger guy... I looked out with dissapointment... It looked like it would take ten years to get to the level I wanted to be at right then... Now, it’s been 20years... Went from renting Cessnas to owning an M20C for a decade... now an Ovation... To avoid getting overwhelmed... take it in steps... keep both eyes open... be ready to turn 180° Using a low bank angle, and get more fuel... check the weather again... practice telling people you are unable to be there until tomorrow... PP thoughts only. Sharing only a single life of experience. Not a CFI or statistician... Best regards, -a-

Summary... 1) A Rocket is a great Long distance, traveling, bird, in the right hands... 2) A PPI is the best protection for your wallet... writing a purchase agreement is a great way to organize the deal... 3A) With low time, the Transition Training is incredibly important... 3B) With High time, the Transition Training is very important... 4) Have you asked for an insurance quote yet? Insurance companies are notable for putting the kai-bosh on purchases like this. 5) We have seen a few accidents over the years... the most painful memories are the young guys that worked really hard, but didn’t fill the experience bucket before the luck bucket ran low... 6) Is this a pro-pilot familiar with Transition Training moving up the ladder stepwise to the next level...? 7) Familiar with the training required to get to this level? 8) Ever hand the keys of a Mustang 5.0 to a responsible 17yr old? 9) Buying a plane the first time... you can be 50 years old with a lot of life experience... and the behavior Of a 17yr old with the keys to a new mustang... will be on your back for some time... 10) Anything Worth Doing is Worth Doing right. 11) If money is important to you... To Skip half of the training time and money.... start with an entry level Mooney... 12) If your pockets are full up... expect the first year to include some heavy expensive training... 13) There isn’t much sense to have a 252 and no place to go... 14) There is plenty of sense to have a 252, an IR, be fully trained and fly internationally in the FLs 15) Doing it safely is going to take time, money, and training to get the experience... 16) Ask Andrew @Hyett6420 what it’s like flying a Mooney around the UK and the rest of Europe... he does it in a killer M20J! 17) Expect a very steep learning curve. Great, if you really like to learn.... This list was built from the people above.... a flight instructor, a military pilot, a plane builder, and few private pilots... Aside from all that....Now, go get the ball in motion.... proceed with caution. Get to know some Mooney people. Do some Mooney reading. How is that for motivation, with a side of seriousness? Best regards, -a-

Anyway here was the purpose of my night flying (this is two for two that was born while I was out of town and Dee Dee the Mooney was able to safely get me to be with...). I must confess I deviated from standard procedure and ran 75 ROP 162 ktas at 11.8 GPH and 8000ft.

I think they did, turn up the volume; you can hear the branches breaking

Up until a few weeks ago I flew with a GNC 300XL for 12 years. It is not upgradeable to WAAS and is not supported by Garmin anymore. The databases are still available from Jeppesen but have gotten large enough that the downloads are split into 2 (Eastern US and Western US) so I have multiple data cards for it. I am actually keeping it in my panel as a second radio after the upgrade that I am currently doing. It is a good GPS and you can fly the LNAV approaches with it which usually gets you down to 400 to 500 feet AGL. It is relatively easy to use as well. Coupled with an auto pilot it should serve you well. If ever I needed a lower approach I would fly into an airport with an ILS. In Texas, that is not very often.

My 78 was 1744 as delivered, wonder where your extra weight came from?

... I think he would be *very* happy with a nice J

Thanks Urs...will do., I have just sent them an email. I have also reached out to a couple of German clients I have to see what they may know also. The Mooney Summit's reach to help is global if we can. Mike

You have to manually follow glide slope but at least left to right you are good. It is altitude hold only no auto trim at least the way mine is installed.

Thanks :-) it is afternoon on this side of the planet. See now you've got me wondering. There probably is some automatic backup at work here otherwise you'd expect to have the boost pump on the checklist. When I get back to the same hemisphere as my Mooney and it's POH, I'll see what it says.

Good afternoon, Paul! Not even automatic electric pump back-up, Paul? (To me) There is something funny about not having an electric pump as the back-up... The diaphragms just are not robust enough... Best regards, -a-

I just upgraded from a Garmin 300XL with the STEC 30 w/ALT and GPSS. The GPS is a bit clumsy like most other Garmin products. Just takes a good session or 10 after getting in the books. I flew across the country many times with it and it was a non event. its better than most

Airplanes are unique compared to other equipment in that they're usually old and therefore require more maintenance, they're stupid expensive, maintenance introduces a fair amount of risk, and as owners, we're barely allowed to touch them other than to just fly them. Therefore it seems to me that one of the central tenets of airplane ownership has to be a close relationship with a trusted shop/mechanic. Obviously shit happens away from home. And that might require a strangers hands to be under her cowl. But I'd probably at least ask JD if he'd make a house call to go get her back in the air.

Most autopilot don't care about the GPS blue light since there was no GPS in the past. The autopilot validate the deviation signal using the flag signal voltage, which is also switched for NAV source. And if the HSI is also switched you also have the synchro 6 wires to be switched. José

My M20J had the NAV1/NAV2 switch for the autopilot. After I installed the G530 I removed the switch/relay because of previous problems found. When you are switching from NAV sources you switching eight wires through a multipole relay that is controlled by the NAV switch. In addition you have added connectors. Because of the very low voltage used (less than 0.150 Volts) any contact resistance will create deviation changes on the GS and LOC signals. José

You sound just like his answer. You sure you don’t want it answer it? You sound just like a New Yorker. “What’s a matter for you?” [emoji23]

We are living in Manhattan. I work in the city and my wife works in the Stamford area. I have been looking at HPN as it would be easy for me to take the train and meet her in CT on Friday night and take a cab/uber from her office to the airfield.

This is what I have and it works for short flights. I find that the suction cup does eventually pop off. I am putting in on my newly painted smooth instrument panel. If it were on the glass it would stay there forever. I am going to look into their new suction cup that just came out a few weeks ago and also a double suction or even the permanant mount. Either way having the iPad on the right side and being able to pull it close, turn it etc is a great benefit. https://mgfproducts.com/sport-mount-flex-suction/ https://mgfproducts.com/sport-universal-cradle/

Check with @201er. He lives in Brooklyn and flies out of Linden. He can give you the lay of the land. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Happy First mommy’s day to my better half. Because I love the new mommy I’m working around the house instead of flying around in this beautiful Sunday day:) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My CFI would say check the POH. Here's what my owner's manual says: "The yellow arc indicates speeds at which the pilot must exercise caution when encountering rough air or severe gusts. Rough air is considered to be a condition uncomfortable to pilot and passengers. Therefore, under these conditions, do not operate at airspeeds within the yellow arc." Sounds like they are saying, if you can take it, the plane can take it. On the other hand, I've had passengers who were uncomfortable with the bump of the landing gear coming up.

It looks like the answer came on the other place you posted the question. It's probably best just to post it once.

Plot your progression against some other MS pilots.... Many MSers include the chain of airplanes they have owner flown, or fly for work or have in the hangar next door... right in their avatar... There is a thread around here that includes all the military aircraft that Some MSers have flown.... it’s inevitable... Some people graduate out the top of MS... they move onto six seaters, or twins, a couple have gone turbine..... Some graduate, but stay here and continue to share experience.... Go MS! And Stay MS! Best regards, -a-

Currently- In the USAF and USN, the first airplane you fly after a 172-ish type airplane (of which you accumulate about 20 hours of flight time) is a 250KIAS turbo-prop. After about 70hours in that, you transition to a 400KIAS turbo jet. in my training pipeline back in the 90’s/early 2000’s: we did our very first flights in the T-34C... a 230KIAS turbo prop. Of course... it’s one thing if it’s a hobby... it’s another thing entirely when that’s your job.... so I guess the answer I’d say is this: if you plan to make a rapid transition- then you’d best treat the flying like its your job, or you might end up paying the consequences.

I absolutely agree with your comments. I would never, ever attempt to sell my plane on this site. Whether it would be Peter Garmin saying I have ancient PFD/MFD technology in my panel, or someone saying that my bladders are 27 years old or someone saying I would have bought a 750 instead of a 650 or that fat women have sat in my plane, it would be an endless barrage of critical comments. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

Haven’t had a good flight to post about but this weekend was filled with good flights, friends, and working on planes. Who could ask for more:) Left home Saturday morning for Sacramento to help @thinwing with his annual and enjoy some California sunshine. My white legs had not seen sun since last September! Just under six hours of flight time round trip I put 51.2 gallons in the plane. A terrible head wind on the way there and some fun turbulence on the way back I didn’t make as good of time as I could have. But flying time is still flying time! Oh oh yeah it was the first night I had spend away from my new baby girl. But her mommy made sure I got lots and lots of pictures of them while I was gone. “Dad problems”.... I got to see a famous M20C before I left KSAC. Mr. Painter’s old plane looks like it lives there. Hope the new owner is on here.

Do you have a good "land and eat" location that you frequent there? Would make a nice weekend flight for the wife and I.

I had another cold flight this afternoon. The wind was blowing 14kts which did not help the 9 dF temps. I reprogrammed my K factor on my JPI to hopefully close the gap between actual and indicated amounts. It was about 1.8 gal conservative per tank over the last 4 fill up’s. Made the mistake of leaving my gloves behind and it took a few mins to get my hands working again when I got back into the plane. Took a picture of the Three Rivers Airport (KHAI) as I was curious about snow removal with my name currently on the waiting list for a hanger. It was an enjoyable first flight of the year.

The sad reality is i dont really know what i want to do right now. Maybe best not to start spending until i do.... Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk