New Savvy Borescope Image Repository

[RoundTwo]

Kudos to Mike Busch for expanding Savvy Analysis to include a convenient place to upload and store cylinder borescope images. They will also perform image analysis for a fee, but having a convenient place to archive images will be helpful.
 

Savvy Borescope Inspection Image How To’s

[Tim-37419]

If they are savvy (hahaha) they will use those images to train gen ai

 

No Disrespect intended, I’m in tech and supportive.

[redbaron1982]

Nothing is for free. As with the engine monitoring data that you can upload for free, in this case you're paying with information that they can you to grow their business. 

I'm not seeing is bad, it seems that is a win-win for all parties. 

[RoundTwo]

What I got the most out of was the video and coming up with a consistent system for images. I will admit I need work on getting the suggested orientation for valve seat pictures, but having a plan is a start.

[Fly Boomer]

On 1/11/2024 at 7:36 AM, RoundTwo said:

Kudos to Mike Busch for expanding Savvy Analysis to include a convenient place to upload and store cylinder borescope images. They will also perform image analysis for a fee, but having a convenient place to archive images will be helpful.
 

Savvy Borescope Inspection Image How To’s

These guys are killing me.  Now, in addition to having the correct borescope, I have to learn how to use it?  Sheesh.

[PT20J]

What I got out of it is that the expert's pictures don't look any better than mine 

[GeeBee]

While the standardization of the photo process is good, I don't really see any great strokes here unless there is constant analysis. As it is now, the service is basically a repository, a place to store. Unless you are asking for analysis on each upload or there is an AI analysis of the photos like the FEVA report, I'm not sure where there is value in spending time uploading. Upload when you have a question or problem seems more likely just as efficient.If someone has a different view, I'm all ears.

[Fly Boomer]

2 hours ago, GeeBee said:

While the standardization of the photo process is good, I don't really see any great strokes here unless there is constant analysis. As it is now, the service is basically a repository, a place to store. Unless you are asking for analysis on each upload or there is an AI analysis of the photos like the FEVA report, I'm not sure where there is value in spending time uploading. Upload when you have a question or problem seems more likely just as efficient.If someone has a different view, I'm all ears.

Maybe it's like oil analysis.  If you have been uploading on some schedule, and then you have a problem or question, they can look at the trend.

[RoundTwo]

2 hours ago, GeeBee said:

While the standardization of the photo process is good, I don't really see any great strokes here unless there is constant analysis. As it is now, the service is basically a repository, a place to store. Unless you are asking for analysis on each upload or there is an AI analysis of the photos like the FEVA report, I'm not sure where there is value in spending time uploading. Upload when you have a question or problem seems more likely just as efficient.If someone has a different view, I'm all ears.

The ordered repository is the real value to me. Without this infrastructure, the pictures are left on my phone without any labels or any identifying information. Now, I could build folders in Google photos and label individual pictures, but then I’m nowhere ahead of what they’re offering here. So for being a free image repository, I’m thumbs up for it.

I am hopeful that this is the start of something like the FEVA, so getting a large data sample is necessary to begin building out a baseline.

[201Steve]

2 hours ago, GeeBee said:

While the standardization of the photo process is good, I don't really see any great strokes here unless there is constant analysis. As it is now, the service is basically a repository, a place to store. Unless you are asking for analysis on each upload or there is an AI analysis of the photos like the FEVA report, I'm not sure where there is value in spending time uploading. Upload when you have a question or problem seems more likely just as efficient.If someone has a different view, I'm all ears

 

29 minutes ago, Fly Boomer said:

Maybe it's like oil analysis.  If you have been uploading on some schedule, and then you have a problem or question, they can look at the trend.

 

When tracking mx data with...Oil analysis, particle analysis, and general troubleshooting, it frustrates me that nobody tracks the outcome. I got a particle analysis done from metal in the filter. Sent it to AvLabs. They simply provide an AMS number on the particle. I had their customer service folks call me about 6 months later to see how my experience was and if I planned on using them again. I pretty much told them, the service is what it is but offers very little in the way of practical information. If these companies would follow up and keep data on the results... now that's something worth paying extra for. Imagine.... all the people who get particle analysis for example. Instead of just wishing them well, what if they followed up with each of those customers. They already know what the AMS number of the metal was, what if they simply called me and asked, "hey did you figure out what that metal came from? A camshaft? oh great, we'll jot that down. To have access to the results is what's important. I agree with beegee in that, what good is it unless they are followed up on. Would be nice if you could see a folder full of pictures that were later confirmed to have broken rings. A folder of pictures that were later confirmed to have rubbing pin plugs. Etc Etc. It's fair to say a huge percentage of those people submitting pictures of their cylinders, or sending in metal particles, or whatever--  are very soon thereafter doing teardown inspections.  The same argument could be made for this very forum. How many subject matter topics are brought up, discussed, just for the OP to never return with the findings. WE NEED THE FINDINGS!!!!  You can't measure trends if you don't have the data of the results!!!

[Schllc]

On 1/11/2024 at 8:36 AM, RoundTwo said:

Kudos to Mike Busch for expanding Savvy Analysis to include a convenient place to upload and store cylinder borescope images. They will also perform image analysis for a fee, but having a convenient place to archive images will be helpful.
 

Savvy Borescope Inspection Image How To’s

Google drive,  Microsoft one drive, or apple icloud  will do it for a pittance, or free if you already have Microsoft account. And it’s all available wherever you are with whatever device you have. 
I have every single document for every single plane I have ever looked at to buy, or owned. 
I have the logbooks, pics and equipment lists from probably 100 planes. 
while I don’t really have to keep them the storage is free and over the years I have accessed a few of them over the years. 

[GeeBee]

Personally I have a 12TB NAS drive with RAID 1. I really don't need off site storage.

 

[kortopates]

On 1/15/2024 at 11:02 AM, PT20J said:

What I got out of it is that the expert's pictures don't look any better than mine 

This great!

Not to pick on anyone; especially Skip! But I wish it was a universal truth. So far the images I am seeing are lacking. They may only cover a small portion of the intended subject, missing the majority of what we're trying to see. Take a piston crown for example. We're looking first for damage along the edge of the pistons circumference - detonation damage - as well as valve strike dents. An image that doesn't show the entire piston circumference or just a small part of it is likely to miss damage. The piston crown image issue may also be a do to the borescope being used if it doesn't allow getting the entire piston in view at the bottom of its stroke. Valve seats and stems are another example; such as not getting the stem and the valve guide interface.  For the most part though, folks are doing a lot better on valve face photo's. We used to just see a portion of the valve face and I have yet to see a really poor valve seat image since the videos came out.

Bear with us though, we have a very strict envelope repository structure, that works great as long as it is populated as expected. Missing images aren't an issue but extra images or any untagged images breaks it. We can't issue a report with extra untagged photo's which has caused delays for more than one client. We're still internally discussing potential options for more than one tagged photo such as say for a valve seat. But presently we can only accept one and ask you give what might be the most concerning view but hopefully of good image quality. Hoping to see enhancements soon that will improve the quality of the report. 

Meanwhile if you have recent compression test results I suggest you include that information on the ticket.

 

[Marc_B]

@kortopates As Savvy is refining this, perhaps a good solution is to have a "hard stop" that greys out the box to submit a ticket if you have "untagged" photos, or brings up a notification to "Please tag or remove untagged photos to submit."  Might be helpful to also have a check box or a way to tag "I have extra photos if you find something you'd like more pictures of." 

I removed my untagged pics just now, and certainly realize that having a complete set of pictures portrays the best overall view of the engine in the most efficient way possible.  I'll have a much more complete set for you here in another 4 months or so!

Thanks for all your help!

[Marc_B]

1 hour ago, kortopates said:

if you have recent compression test results I suggest you include that information on the ticket.

Also, does Savvy have a way to report compressions?  Might also be something useful to have an optional box or require box for this?

[kortopates]

not yet, but you can enter the info into the ticket


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[RoundTwo]

I've just uploaded my first set of images I captured yesterday. My plan of uploading a set at every oil change is a bit of overkill, but I'm hoping my scope skills will improve and my shots of seats and stems will get better with more practice.

#3 has an interesting score at 12:00 and 9:00 (if I was actually properly oriented) I'm planning on watching over time and #2 has a leaky intake guide that is the source of oil getting past the #2 intake gasket and causing splatters around the area.