Never thought it'd be just too darn hot to fly, then summer came.

[Pinecone]

On 7/4/2023 at 6:30 AM, dlthig said:

UPT 98-13

Lamar Thigpen. Do we know each other? 

No, I was WAY before you.

Class 82-01.

[1980Mooney]

For the next 10 days the forecast highs in the Houston area are 101-104.  There is very little GA out flying.  ADSBExchange surprisingly shows no activity at KDWH, KIWS, or KAXH.   Looks like one flight school plane at KSGR and one at KTME flying touch and goes.  

[N201MKTurbo]

It kind of proves that the greenhouse effect is real. The volcano near Fiji last year increased the water vapor in the stratosphere by 5%. The climatologists at the time said it would raise global temperatures for the next two years or so.
 

I think this would be a good time to calibrate the climate models now that we know the amount of water vapor put into the stratosphere and how much it raised temperature. It doesn’t seem like it would be too hard to correlate the effect of the water vapor to CO2. I’m pretty sure they are doing this, but nobody is talking about it. I don’t think it is giving them the answers they want.

[A64Pilot]

29 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

It kind of proves that the greenhouse effect is real. The volcano near Fiji last year increased the water vapor in the stratosphere by 5%. The climatologists at the time said it would raise global temperatures for the next two years or so.
 

I think this would be a good time to calibrate the climate models now that we know the amount of water vapor put into the stratosphere and how much it raised temperature. It doesn’t seem like it would be too hard to correlate the effect of the water vapor to CO2. I’m pretty sure they are doing this, but nobody is talking about it. I don’t think it is giving them the answers they want.

Your the first to bring up the unga bunga or whatever that volcano was. I know that’s not it’s name but when I first heard it I thought, really?

As I think it’s the biggest eruption we have had since Krakatoa, I’ve been really surprised to not have heard about it on any news as I believe only the nuts don’t think big ones don’t have an effect, when it occurred I thought I wonder how this will affect climate.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere

Years ago I believe the thought was that they threw so much ash etc into the atmosphere that they caused a tiny sort of a nuclear winter, now of course the thinking is different.

But as a Retired guy with bad knees I do a lot of news watching and haven’t heard anything about it.

In central Fl we have had a lot more rain than normal, I’ve had to pump water out of the pool twice and will again if we get another big rain, normally it seems evaporation and rain balance each other out,

[1980Mooney]

13 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

It kind of proves that the greenhouse effect is real. The volcano near Fiji last year increased the water vapor in the stratosphere by 5%.

 

7 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

In central Fl we have had a lot more rain than normal, I’ve had to pump water out of the pool twice and will again if we get another big rain, normally it seems evaporation and rain balance each other out,

In Texas, especially Gulf Coast/Houston we have had a lot less rain than normal - actually none in the last month and none forecast during this coming 100+ heat.  As much as I hate the humidity in Houston we could sure use some of this supposed extra water vapor in the atmosphere.  Everything is dying.  Only good thing is that the mosquitoes died too....

[GeeBee]

45 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

It kind of proves that the greenhouse effect is real. The volcano near Fiji last year increased the water vapor in the stratosphere by 5%. The climatologists at the time said it would raise global temperatures for the next two years or so.
 

I think this would be a good time to calibrate the climate models now that we know the amount of water vapor put into the stratosphere and how much it raised temperature. It doesn’t seem like it would be too hard to correlate the effect of the water vapor to CO2. I’m pretty sure they are doing this, but nobody is talking about it. I don’t think it is giving them the answers they want.

Actually there is some new data suggesting the water vapor expelled is 3 times originally calculated and that the over all water vapor is more on the order of a 10% increase. Sadly, many climate models that predict warming leave out the largest greenhouse gas, water vapor and equally troubling is no one is talking about this event in the media even though the scientific community predicted this warming after the eruption.

[N201MKTurbo]

49 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

Your the first to bring up the unga bunga or whatever that volcano was. I know that’s not it’s name but when I first heard it I thought, really?

As I think it’s the biggest eruption we have had since Krakatoa, I’ve been really surprised to not have heard about it on any news as I believe only the nuts don’t think big ones don’t have an effect, when it occurred I thought I wonder how this will affect climate.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere

Years ago I believe the thought was that they threw so much ash etc into the atmosphere that they caused a tiny sort of a nuclear winter, now of course the thinking is different.

But as a Retired guy with bad knees I do a lot of news watching and haven’t heard anything about it.

In central Fl we have had a lot more rain than normal, I’ve had to pump water out of the pool twice and will again if we get another big rain, normally it seems evaporation and rain balance each other out,

Mt Pinatubo was the last big eruption. It was in 91' it was not under water and put a huge amount of Sulphur dioxide into the Stratosphere. It had the opposite effect and caused global cooling for two years.

[A64Pilot]

27 minutes ago, GeeBee said:

Actually there is some new data suggesting the water vapor expelled is 3 times originally calculated and that the over all water vapor is more on the order of a 10% increase. Sadly, many climate models that predict warming leave out the largest greenhouse gas, water vapor and equally troubling is no one is talking about this event in the media even though the scientific community predicted this warming after the eruption.

I believe what your saying is in the JPL link I posted.

I think surely the scientific community is talking about it, but the media not.

[N201MKTurbo]

29 minutes ago, GeeBee said:

Actually there is some new data suggesting the water vapor expelled is 3 times originally calculated and that the over all water vapor is more on the order of a 10% increase. Sadly, many climate models that predict warming leave out the largest greenhouse gas, water vapor and equally troubling is no one is talking about this event in the media even though the scientific community predicted this warming after the eruption.

I don't have any data about this, but I suspect the correlation with CO2 probably indicates something like if we don't do anything about CO2 emissions for a hundred years the climate may be like 2023. Most people would go "Mah".

[N201MKTurbo]

2 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

I believe what your saying is in the JPL link I posted.

I think surely the scientific community is talking about it, but the media not.

I'll take a look. Thanks for the link.

[A64Pilot]

50 minutes ago, 1980Mooney said:

 

In Texas, especially Gulf Coast/Houston we have had a lot less rain than normal - actually none in the last month and none forecast during this coming 100+ heat.  As much as I hate the humidity in Houston we could sure use some of this supposed extra water vapor in the atmosphere.  Everything is dying.  Only good thing is that the mosquitoes died too....

I have a completely unsupported theory, it’s that if one part is being flooded there is another in drought, that the total amount of rain doesn’t change much, but the distribution of it does.

Like I said no science in that, just a belief.

[A64Pilot]

6 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I'll take a look. Thanks for the link.

I’m sure there is a lot of fake crap out there based on the sensitivity of the subject, but I trust JPL despite where it’s located  

[A64Pilot]

Right now the Wife’s Tesla is chewing through its battery. I have it set so that it won’t let the interior heat more than 95 inside the car but because it’s parked on asphalt the car says it’s 101 outside.

I don’t think the glass roof helps

I could open the window but that would make it worse

 

 

[N201MKTurbo]

I drove down to the store to get some lunch. When I got into the truck the OAT said it was 119. Not as bad as two weeks ago. I got into the truck at the same time of day ~11:15 AM and it said 127. Of course that is solar gain from the concrete and the garage door. 

[aviatoreb]

22 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I drove down to the store to get some lunch. When I got into the truck the OAT said it was 119. Not as bad as two weeks ago. I got into the truck at the same time of day ~11:15 AM and it said 127. Of course that is solar gain from the concrete and the garage door. 

Holi Canoli that is scary and makes my eyes bug out.

Let me laugh at you now and remind you of this when you are laughing at me in 6 months when it is -30F and there is aura borealis and a 4ft snow storm forecast.

[A64Pilot]

I would love to see the Aurora, I spent a couple of weeks in the UP of Wisconsin in Feb once, but didn’t see it.

[A64Pilot]

2 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I drove down to the store to get some lunch. When I got into the truck the OAT said it was 119. Not as bad as two weeks ago. I got into the truck at the same time of day ~11:15 AM and it said 127. Of course that is solar gain from the concrete and the garage door. 

First time in Kuwait we had several black boxes failing, the Tech reps came out and put these temp a dot things on them to see how hot they were getting. I think the dots topped out at 100C, all of them were maxed out. We had to wear gloves to get into the aircraft, you would literally get blisters on your hand if you didn’t.

I’ve never experienced hot like that 

[GeeBee]

11 minutes ago, A64Pilot said:

I would love to see the Aurora, I spent a couple of weeks in the UP of Wisconsin in Feb once, but didn’t see it.

Wait until you fly through it. You think you just jumped to warp speed.

[A64Pilot]

I thought it was way up there, Stratosphere high?

[aviatoreb]

1 hour ago, A64Pilot said:

I would love to see the Aurora, I spent a couple of weeks in the UP of Wisconsin in Feb once, but didn’t see it.

Its pretty neat!

But we dont see it often - maybe once or twice a winter. At most.  We aren't far enough north that it is so frequent.

[N201MKTurbo]

1 hour ago, A64Pilot said:

First time in Kuwait we had several black boxes failing, the Tech reps came out and put these temp a dot things on them to see how hot they were getting. I think the dots topped out at 100C, all of them were maxed out. We had to wear gloves to get into the aircraft, you would literally get blisters on your hand if you didn’t.

I’ve never experienced hot like that 

When I was a kid I worked at a car telephone place as a repair tech. The radio sets lived in the trunk. We had to measure the temperature of the radio to set its frequency properly. They had temperature compensated crystal oscillators. Most would come out of the trunks at about 190 but some in black cars would be over 230.  

[GeeBee]

10 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

I thought it was way up there, Stratosphere high?

FL 400 over Greenland

[Pinecone]

15 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Mt Pinatubo was the last big eruption. It was in 91' it was not under water and put a huge amount of Sulphur dioxide into the Stratosphere. It had the opposite effect and caused global cooling for two years.

I just saw an article that stated that the desulphurization of diesel fuel for ships may be reducing the cooling effect from their sulphur emissions.   Unintended consequences.

[A64Pilot]

30 minutes ago, Pinecone said:

I just saw an article that stated that the desulphurization of diesel fuel for ships may be reducing the cooling effect from their sulphur emissions.   Unintended consequences.

A few years ago when I was doing the sailing thing I found out that the shipping lanes have different weather, much more frequent thunderstorms, one theory which I believe is it’s from the emissions from the ships.

https://www.weathernationtv.com/news/study-finds-ocean-shipping-lanes-have-more-intense-thunderstorms

Ships are horrible polluters, in fact I believe that the cruise ship fleet in Europe pollutes more than all of the cars in Europe.

Seems it’s just Carnival’s ships, doesn’t mean others don’t pollute I’m sure they do at the same level, I don’t think this is a nut job site with an agenda, but you have to be careful because many are and it’s not just one sided  https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-ship-air-pollution-carnival-cars-europe-study-2023-6#:~:text=A June study from sustainable,cars in Europe in 2022.

Actually Modern ICE cars are phenomenally clean, I’m sure there is room for improvement but compared to even just a few years ago they pollute very little.

[N201MKTurbo]

6 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

A few years ago when I was doing the sailing thing I found out that the shipping lanes have different weather, much more frequent thunderstorms, one theory which I believe is it’s from the emissions from the ships.

https://www.weathernationtv.com/news/study-finds-ocean-shipping-lanes-have-more-intense-thunderstorms

Ships are horrible polluters, in fact I believe that the cruise ship fleet in Europe pollutes more than all of the cars in Europe.

Seems it’s just Carnival’s ships, doesn’t mean others don’t pollute I’m sure they do at the same level, I don’t think this is a nut job site with an agenda, but you have to be careful because many are and it’s not just one sided  https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-ship-air-pollution-carnival-cars-europe-study-2023-6#:~:text=A June study from sustainable,cars in Europe in 2022.

Actually Modern ICE cars are phenomenally clean, I’m sure there is room for improvement but compared to even just a few years ago they pollute very little.

It is probably the heat from the engines. The hot exhaust will make vertical connection currents. 
 

I’ve seen our local nuke plant make it’s own weather. One day the exhaust from the cooling towers was condensing and made a perfect mushroom cloud. Too bad I didn’t have a camera.