Land on the numbers.

[RobertGary1]

Ok sure. 
 

[N201MKTurbo]

But you landed on the “R” not the numbers!

[midlifeflyer]

 

[Pinecone]

Isn’t the R part of the “numbers”??

[N201MKTurbo]

I will have to look that up in the FAR/AIM....

The runway number is the whole number nearest one‐tenth the magnetic azimuth of the centerline of the runway, measured clockwise from the magnetic north. The letters, differentiate between left (L), right (R), or center (C) parallel runways, as applicable:

Nope, He landed on the letters....

[Hank]

44 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I will have to look that up in the FAR/AIM....

The runway number is the whole number nearest one‐tenth the magnetic azimuth of the centerline of the runway, measured clockwise from the magnetic north. The letters, differentiate between left (L), right (R), or center (C) parallel runways, as applicable:

So you're saying that "22" is the runway number, even though there are two of them? I always thought one was "22L" and the other was "22R." Yes, I've landed on one of three runways, good old "20C" at BNA.

[rbp]

unless you're doing a no-hydraulics or insufficient-power-to-hover run-on or a full down auto, there's no "landing" in a heli. there's only an approach to a hover and a set-down. see, I can be pedantic too!

[N201MKTurbo]

58 minutes ago, Hank said:

So you're saying that "22" is the runway number, even though there are two of them? I always thought one was "22L" and the other was "22R." Yes, I've landed on one of three runways, good old "20C" at BNA.

Those aren't my words, they came from the AIM.

[PT20J]

Looks like you landed short to me 

[RobertGary1]

Airplane pilots get 100’ for commercial short field. Helicopter pilots pts is 2 feet. Just saying. ….

[1964-M20E]

9 hours ago, Hank said:

So you're saying that "22" is the runway number, even though there are two of them? I always thought one was "22L" and the other was "22R." Yes, I've landed on one of three runways, good old "20C" at BNA.

No by landing there, he is just stating the he is flying a Robinson 22.

[midlifeflyer]

17 hours ago, rbp said:

unless you're doing a no-hydraulics or insufficient-power-to-hover run-on or a full down auto, there's no "landing" in a heli. there's only an approach to a hover and a set-down. see, I can be pedantic too!

So, when Tower says, "cleared to land," do you say, "unable"?

[rbp]

Being cleared to land doesn’t mean you’re required to! 

[rbp]

20 hours ago, RobertGary1 said:

Airplane pilots get 100’ for commercial short field. Helicopter pilots pts is 2 feet. Just saying. ….

Actually the PTS for an autorotation is 100’ for private and 50’ for commercial.  

[N201MKTurbo]

I’ve only done two autorotations, I’m pretty sure I was closer than 50 feet to where I was told to aim for. One was from moving forward the other was from a hover. Those are kind of sporty.

[Pinecone]

Try one from the top of the shaded area.

That is the area where the combination of speed and altitude prevent a successful auto.

IIRC for the R-22 it was 200 feet AGL in a hover.  You REALLY have to get the nose done to get the airspeed to arrest the sink at the end.

[RobertGary1]

1 hour ago, Pinecone said:

Try one from the top of the shaded area.

That is the area where the combination of speed and altitude prevent a successful auto.

IIRC for the R-22 it was 200 feet AGL in a hover.  You REALLY have to get the nose done to get the airspeed to arrest the sink at the end.

There is never a time you need to do an auto from a hover other than the 4' hover. Otherwise we do 500' for straight in and 800' for 180's.. At least private through CFI. The biggest issue is that if there is more headwind than you though there isn't much you can do to stretch it. The "50'" tolerance is 360 degrees so its basically 100'.

 

-Robert

 

-Robert

[rbp]

30 minutes ago, RobertGary1 said:

There is never a time you need to do an auto from a hover other than the 4' hover. Otherwise we do 500' for straight in and 800' for 180's.. At least private through CFI. The biggest issue is that if there is more headwind than you though there isn't much you can do to stretch it. The "50'" tolerance is 360 degrees so its basically 100'.

 

-Robert

 

-Robert

90 knots /90%  in the r44 to stretch the glide

[RobertGary1]

27 minutes ago, rbp said:

90 knots /90%  in the r44 to stretch the glide

Ok. In the 22 it says only above 500’. 

[Pinecone]

I did one because I asked to do one to see what it was like.  We did pad the altitude by a bit.

Just looked it up, hover is 400 feet, we probably did 450 (it was a long time ago).

[rbp]

18 hours ago, RobertGary1 said:

Ok. In the 22 it says only above 500’. 

I took the RHS course with Tim. he has a great essay on autos that covers this

https://www.timtuckershelicopterworld.com/my-take-on-autorotations