Value impact - hard landing and prop strike

[PT20J]

55 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said:

The C weighs 50% less than a long body. Long bodies are pushing the limits of puck landing gear design.

And it's worse if the pucks are old.

[carusoam]

Stalling at 10’ above the runway compresses the donuts until the gear doors touch the ground…

That is probably a partial stall.

How long did the owner have the plane and how many hours did he actually fly it…?

 

I had a PPI done on a brand P that made hard contact with the earth often… didn’t really need a full PPI to discover a few things that were not buyable…

The important part… who did the repairs, where…  a respectable shop can do an amazing parts replacement program…

PP thoughts only, not familiar with this individual plane or pilot…

Best regards,

-a-

[A64Pilot]

12 hours ago, LANCECASPER said:

I would see if they have pictures of the damage before the repair, might help to understand the extent of the damage.

While pictures would certainly be ideal, I bet LASAR still has a copy of the work order, plus surely there was some repair work, not just parts replacement and if so it was a major repair, and that’s a 337, which is on file at Oklahoma City and for $10 you can have a CD of all the records that are filed.

Problem is do you have enough time to get them?

[A64Pilot]

On 8/17/2021 at 12:52 PM, Hank said:

If the replacement wing has no repaired damage in it, then there is no damage history to the plane from the old wing. If something happened, and the affected part(s) are removed from the airplane and replaced with new, is there any "history" for future owners to be aware of and watch? No . . . . The devil is in the details. If damage is repaired, there is history right there on the airframe, and the repair can be monitored over time to make sure that it is holding up. What is there to monitor over time with a new wing, that's any different from the older wing on the other side?

The OP is asking about a plane with damage history to the gear and the wings. The gear was replaced, the wing / flap was repaired. How were the repairs done, and are the repairs holding up? That's the damage history to watch for. Also, since the gear was replaced, it should be monitored to make sure nothing strange is happening due to damage in the wing that it's attached to.

Point I was trying to make is that on a tail dragger, replacing a wing is classic ground loop, the wing makes contact with the ground of course, but in a ground loop also the gear boxes are put under a great deal of stress and on a 140 the door frame is too, both known problems for 140’s. Something tripped that wing to be replaced, and that is what you need to determine, and it’s likely that something may have caused undetected airframe damage

So yes the devil is in the details meaning in this case it’s likely there could have been hidden damage in the gear boxes and door post, both time consuming, expensive, difficult repairs on a 140, possibly more than the aircraft is worth.

Its hidden damage that’s the a gotcha, a wrinkled skin is nothing, what’s bent, broken and twisted under that wrinkled skin, that is causing the wrinkle that’s the problem, just using a wrinkled skin as an example, but sometimes a wrinkled skin is just a wrinkled skin too.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

While pictures would certainly be ideal, I bet LASAR still has a copy of the work order, plus surely there was some repair work, not just parts replacement and if so it was a major repair, and that’s a 337, which is on file at Oklahoma City and for $10 you can have a CD of all the records that are filed.

Problem is do you have enough time to get them?

Documents from LASAR and the Canadian log book entries (if LASAR knew what to do with the log books) should tell the story.  The FAA wouldn’t have a file for a Canadian airplane in its data base.

Clarence

[Schllc]

11 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

While pictures would certainly be ideal, I bet LASAR still has a copy of the work order, plus surely there was some repair work, not just parts replacement and if so it was a major repair, and that’s a 337, which is on file at Oklahoma City and for $10 you can have a CD of all the records that are filed.

Problem is do you have enough time to get them?

Pictures of the damage were posted on this thread. 

[LANCECASPER]

12 hours ago, A64Pilot said:

While pictures would certainly be ideal, I bet LASAR still has a copy of the work order, plus surely there was some repair work, not just parts replacement and if so it was a major repair, and that’s a 337, which is on file at Oklahoma City and for $10 you can have a CD of all the records that are filed.

Problem is do you have enough time to get them?

Aerospace Reports in OKC can get them and e-mail them to you within 24 hours.

[A64Pilot]

9 minutes ago, LANCECASPER said:

Aerospace Reports in OKC can get them and e-mail them to you within 24 hours.

Didn’t know that. thanks.

In this case, I missed that it was a Canadian registered aircraft, and was more speaking generically too.