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Chris,

What do you know about the bolt other than its part number?

Or are you just looking for the list of aviation hardware suppliers?

Skybolt is the easiest place to remember...   :)

Best regards,

-a-

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Partsbase & controller.com

 

https://www.controller.com/parts/search?SearchType=Start&PartNumber=nas6607-72

 

NAS6607-72D
 
Southwest Aviation Specialties, LLC
 
Email Only
BOLT NS 1 RFQ OK, United States
 
    01/08/2021 
 
NAS6607-72D
 
Air Nation, LLC
 
818-210-0069
BOLT NE 2725 RFQ CA, United States
 
    02/08/2021 
 
NAS6607-72D
NULL
Silverhawk Aviation
 
402-475-8600
BOLT NE 1   NE, United States
 
    02/05/2021 
 
NAS6607-72D
 
R & M GOVERNMENT SERVICES, INC
 
575-522-0430
BOLT, NAS NE OR RFQ NM, United States
 
    10/06/2020 
 
NAS6607-72D
 
US Aviation Group
 
940-297-6432
BOLT NE 1 RFQ TX, United States
 
    04/24/2020 
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They don't show stock but maybe a call to https://military-fasteners.com/search/?term=NAS6607-&page=1

Also Genuine Aircraft Hardware https://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/

ECAS which is now a part of Monroe Aerospace.

My IPC shows NAS1307-72D; don't know is the 6607 supersedes the 1307, might be worth trying to search alternate part numbers. 

While none of these places show stock they may have an idea of how to find one.

If NAS1307-72D is valid for your aircraft; partsbase shows stock available at 3 suppliers.

NAS1307-72D
 
Air Nation, LLC
 
818-210-0069
BOLT NE 2725 RFQ CA, United States
 
    02/08/2021 
 
NAS1307-72D
 
Future Global Aerospace
 
866-778-8462
HARDWARE - FASTENERS NE 1490 RFQ NC, United States
 
    02/02/2021 
 
NAS1307-72D
 
Genuine Aircraft Hardware Co.
 
805-239-3169
NAS BOLTS FN OR RFQ CA, United States
 
    01/05/2021 
 
NAS1307-72D
 
R & M GOVERNMENT SERVICES, INC
 
575-522-0430
BOLT, NAS NE OR RFQ NM, United States
 
    10/06/2020 
 
NAS1307-72D
 
VRG Components, Inc
 
704-970-1808
MISC FASTENERS NE OR RFQ NC, United States
 
    10/07/2020 
 
NAS1307-72D
 
Aerospace Retail Inc.
 
888-918-8116
HARDWARE FN 1003 RFQ FL, United States
 
    12/30/2020 
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As I understand it the NAS1307/6607 are a close tolerance bolt, the AN7 isn't so although it would fit, the fit wouldn't be as tight as originally designed.

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1 hour ago, Steve2 said:

As I understand it the NAS1307/6607 are a close tolerance bolt, the AN7 isn't so although it would fit, the fit wouldn't be as tight as originally designed.

According to the IPC, Mooney used an AN7-50 through SN 24-0678 and switched to a NAS1307-72D thereafter. 

I notice that military-fasteners.com also shows the NAS1307-72D as unavailable. You might install an AN7-50 for now and replace it when the close tolerance bolt becomes available.

BTW, the maintenance manual calls for a torque of 450-500 in-lb. SIM20-109 reduced this to 270-300 in-lb to prevent binding. On mine, even that is too tight. We torqued it to 270 at annual and I had to back it off one castellation to get it to steer right.

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The truss should clamp on the bushing and there should be a little clearance top and bottom of the truss so the ears on the truss don't bind on the trunnion.

The problem is if the bushing is loose in the truss, it can rotate in the truss and wear the ears on the truss so the bushing sinks into the ears and the top and bottom clearance goes away. This makes the truss ears bind on the trunnion tube. If you loosen the bolt, it allows more bushing motion and accelerates the wear. 

Short of replacing the truss, making a shim for the end of the bushing will fix this problem. 

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Try Genuine aircraft hardware. 

They recently moved their operation from CA. But they have always been great to work with. 
-Matt

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32 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

The truss should clamp on the bushing and there should be a little clearance top and bottom of the truss so the ears on the truss don't bind on the trunnion.

The problem is if the bushing is loose in the truss, it can rotate in the truss and wear the ears on the truss so the bushing sinks into the ears and the top and bottom clearance goes away. This makes the truss ears bind on the trunnion tube. If you loosen the bolt, it allows more bushing motion and accelerates the wear. 

Short of replacing the truss, making a shim for the end of the bushing will fix this problem. 

I've never had one of these apart, but your description sounds reasonable. There are no logbook entries indicating it's ever been torqued since it left the factory in 1994 so maybe it has and maybe it hasn't. Maxwell replaced the biscuits in 2017 for the previous owner, so maybe he checked it. It steered fine, and there is no slop in the bushing so I should probably have left well enough alone but since the manual says to check the torque every 100 hrs we torqued it and it started binding a little bit. The fact that Mooney lowered the torque indicates to me that the tolerance control on this isn't great.

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1 hour ago, PT20J said:

I've never had one of these apart, but your description sounds reasonable. There are no logbook entries indicating it's ever been torqued since it left the factory in 1994 so maybe it has and maybe it hasn't. Maxwell replaced the biscuits in 2017 for the previous owner, so maybe he checked it. It steered fine, and there is no slop in the bushing so I should probably have left well enough alone but since the manual says to check the torque every 100 hrs we torqued it and it started binding a little bit. The fact that Mooney lowered the torque indicates to me that the tolerance control on this isn't great.

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It is one of the easier things to take apart in a Mooney. If you take the cotter pin out to torque it, you are half way there. You might have to take the metal firewall plate off to get the bolt out, but once the bolt is out you will be holding most of the nose gear in your hands. Oh, you do have to take the bolt out of the steering horn. I will have to look to see if there is a an end play spec. I imagine it would be around 0.005" or more.

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9 hours ago, PT20J said:

According to the IPC, Mooney used an AN7-50 through SN 24-0678 and switched to a NAS1307-72D thereafter. 

I notice that military-fasteners.com also shows the NAS1307-72D as unavailable. You might install an AN7-50 for now and replace it when the close tolerance bolt becomes available.

BTW, the maintenance manual calls for a torque of 450-500 in-lb. SIM20-109 reduced this to 270-300 in-lb to prevent binding. On mine, even that is too tight. We torqued it to 270 at annual and I had to back it off one castellation to get it to steer right.

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Well crap. "castellation". 

I feel I am fairly well versed. I consider my spelling, grammar and dictation better than average. Then what happens? You damn engineers start talking in tounges. 

grrrrrrr 

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For David...

Castellated nut...

and other castle... aka rook...

one castlelation... 1/6 of a turn... ?

PP guessing only... not breaking out any of the engineering degrees...  

-a-

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22 minutes ago, Mcstealth said:

Well crap. "castellation". 

I feel I am fairly well versed. I consider my spelling, grammar and dictation better than average. Then what happens? You damn engineers start talking in tounges. 

grrrrrrr 

Probably not the right word, but I didn't know what else to call it :)

Posted
11 hours ago, PT20J said:

Probably not the right word, but I didn't know what else to call it :)

No. You were good. After reading two different published definitions, " a cut or groove" was the second meaning in the definitions.  :):)

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Hi Chris, not sure if you still need the bolt- RACQWA @ jandakot in WA Australia has 2 more in stock. I ordered one today.

 

 

 

 

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Going off of memory a NAS bolt is not a close tolerance bolt.

‘However the difference between an AN and NAS is that the NAS is significantly stronger

OK, looked it up an AN bolt is 125,000 tensile strength an NAS is 160,000

both can be close tolerance, if they are they have a triangle on the head.

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