WANTED: J-model Mooney

[MooneyPoor]

On 2/2/2021 at 12:02 PM, Me & 8883 said:

I'm interested in purchasing a J-Model Mooney, preferably with speed brakes.  If anyone is considering selling, please let me know. Thanks.

Someone on Facebook just posted a 1981 J I believe. $115k. May see it here soon. He’s Hood river Oregon based —Dustin Morantes  - new p/I 2013 - Total time 3240 - SMOH 1400 - compressions 75+ - 200 Overhaul prop  

[Gagarin]

On 2/3/2021 at 7:50 PM, Me & 8883 said:

For the pilot relief valve deal, I'm amazed that I actually like this idea.  It apparently was an idea long used by the military.  My questions are these:  What does this do to the underbelly paint job?  It would seem you would need to wash the underbelly frequently.  Also, wouldn't there be some freezing temperatures and cracking/kinking of the hose?  Is there a cap for the funnel so air isn't continuously sucked out of the cabin?  

I have not seen any stains on my plane or my neighbor's Baron 58. I have peed under icing conditions with no problem. Keep in mind that the urine temp is 98F and will de-ice the ice on the venturi. Aircraft Spruce sell funnels with an integral valve for pressurized planes. This facilitates removing your pipi from the funnel.

[Gagarin]

On 2/3/2021 at 7:50 PM, Me & 8883 said:

For the pilot relief valve deal, I'm amazed that I actually like this idea.  It apparently was an idea long used by the military.  My questions are these:  What does this do to the underbelly paint job?  It would seem you would need to wash the underbelly frequently.  Also, wouldn't there be some freezing temperatures and cracking/kinking of the hose?  Is there a cap for the funnel so air isn't continuously sucked out of the cabin?  

I have not seen any stains on my plane or my neighbor's Baron 58. I have peed under icing conditions with no problem. Keep in mind that the urine temp is 98F and will de-ice the ice on the venturi. Aircraft Spruce sell funnels with an integral valve for pressurized planes. This facilitates removing your pipi from the funnel.

[Stetson20]

42 minutes ago, Gagarin said:

I have not seen any stains on my plane or my neighbor's Baron 58. I have peed under icing conditions with no problem. Keep in mind that the urine temp is 98F and will de-ice the ice on the venturi. Aircraft Spruce sell funnels with an integral valve for pressurized planes. This facilitates removing your pipi from the funnel.

Funny story that happened to a friend. The Navy T-34 had a pee tube. It was a venturi, so you needed to open the spring loaded valve FIRST. My friend filled the funnel and then tried the valve. He shorted out the radio stack, got pee all over himself, and they had to do a lost comm landing. Lessons learned.

[Stetson20]

On 2/3/2021 at 5:59 AM, Ryan ORL said:

What I had trouble accepting is that in this market, is that virtually nobody is seeing airplanes on site, in person.  I expected that I would travel to see airplanes in person then negotiate and get under contract.  But good airplanes are going under contract in a day or even hours, with multiple full-ask offers.  Everyone is buying sight unseen.   I lost out on 2-3 airplanes initially because I didn't know the buying process well and took a day or two to work out exactly what I wanted in the contract, etc.  By the time I called back, they were all under contract.

I found my J on a Facebook group, and I called the seller the day it went up.  He already had 10 calls and 3 serious buyers before I even called him.  This was on a Tuesday, I think, and he already had a buyer who had planned to come see the airplane on Saturday and put down a deposit.  I went under contract that evening on my airplane based on photos, logbooks, and a spec sheet.  I wired the deposit the next morning.  I didn't see it in person until a week later, but if it weren't local (~1.5 hours) to me, I wouldn't have likely seen it until the prebuy or even closing.

So there are several J models on controller and trade-a-plane. Are they all overpriced and/have major flaws? 

[75_M20F]

I have a 1975F with a Lopresti Cowling and speed brakes 201 windshield plus other mods, 260 hours on the engine, GTN 750. That I am going to be putting up for sale here this spring.

[ArtVandelay]

So there are several J models on controller and trade-a-plane. Are they all overpriced and/have major flaws? 

There’s only 6 for sale in the USA, I remember when I was looking there was like 20. It’s a seller’s market. But at least 1 has speed brakes.

[Ryan ORL]

2 hours ago, Stetson20 said:

So there are several J models on controller and trade-a-plane. Are they all overpriced and/have major flaws? 

Well, I stopped looking about a month ago when I got under contract on mine, but at the time I had called almost every single active listing nationwide and found that:

• Listings aren’t updated and many ‘active’ listings are already under contract
• Major damage history, recent improperly repaired prop strikes, etc
• “150 SMOH” planes where the engine was overhauled nearly 20 years ago and has been sitting for years at a time
• Missing logs or other ‘irregularities’
• Brokers refusing to use escrow and demanding people put down the deposit with them and other sketchy contract details

Generally speaking, airplanes that don’t have these things going on don’t stay on the market more than a day or two.

I didn’t even bother calling sellers that were delusional in their pricing... $110k for a no-GPS 80 J model with a factory original King radio stack, etc.

Your mileage may vary, but it took me about 45 days of stalking the listings to find one that wasn’t already sold or overpriced/sketchy/junk.

[Ryan ORL]

2 hours ago, ArtVandelay said:

There’s only 6 for sale in the USA, I remember when I was looking there was like 20. It’s a buyer’s market. But at least 1 has speed brakes.

I think you definitely mean a sellers market.

[ArtVandelay]

I think you definitely mean a sellers market.

Opps, yeah I did

[Ariel]

On 2/2/2021 at 5:44 PM, Me & 8883 said:

I'm located in Georgetown, Texas, just north of Austin.

Jiimmy from Gmax is close to you, I just bought my mooney from him.

[tmo]

Welcome aboard, @Ariel

[Me & 8883]

Thanks folks.  A J model landed in my lap.  Going through pre-buy now.  Thanks again for your help.

[MooneyPoor]

8 minutes ago, Me & 8883 said:

Thanks folks.  A J model landed in my lap.  Going through pre-buy now.  Thanks again for your help.

Awesome news! If you need any help moving or transition training etc. be sure to reach out on here too. Good luck with the purchase!

[Ariel]

20 hours ago, tmo said:

Welcome aboard, @Ariel

Thanks

[Will.iam]

15 hours ago, Me & 8883 said:

Thanks folks.  A J model landed in my lap.  Going through pre-buy now.  Thanks again for your help.

Sweet wish that had happened to me. I stalked the ads for 9 months had 3 planes that i wanted to put a contract on and the next day they already had a contract. COVID-19 made people go out and buy used GA aircraft apparently. 

[Will.iam]

On 2/3/2021 at 8:25 PM, carusoam said:

Lessons in laminar flow....release pee an inch away from the paint, it will stay an inch away....

Washing the belly... as often as you like... there is an oily surface there already...

To find the source of the oily surface... check the case vent tube supplied by Lycoming...

-a-

Although I don’t doubt what you say about the inch away, but why then don’t they make the oil breather line stick out an inch away and keep all that oil off the belly? Is it because the oil is a mist and the pee is a liquid? Or is it you just need to put a Venturi on the end of the oil breather line an inch away from the belly?  

[takair]

1 minute ago, Will.iam said:

Although I don’t doubt what you say about the inch away, but why then don’t they make the oil breather line stick out an inch away and keep all that oil off the belly? Is it because the oil is a mist and the pee is a liquid? Or is it you just need to put a Venturi on the end of the oil breather line an inch away from the belly?  

One reason is icing.  There have been occurrences where the moisture venting from the crank freezes and blocks off the vent.  This then blows out the nose case seal with the resultant catastrophic loss of oil.  Oddly, there is an AD associated with the O&N bladder kit that puts a whistle slot in the vent tube to prevent this, but this is not associated with non bladder aircraft.  Perhaps later models have it.

[Will.iam]

12 minutes ago, takair said:

One reason is icing.  There have been occurrences where the moisture venting from the crank freezes and blocks off the vent.  This then blows out the nose case seal with the resultant catastrophic loss of oil.  Oddly, there is an AD associated with the O&N bladder kit that puts a whistle slot in the vent tube to prevent this, but this is not associated with non bladder aircraft.  Perhaps later models have it.

Do they make heated venturi?

[takair]

1 hour ago, Will.iam said:

Do they make heated venturi?

I’m sure they do.....I didn’t read the entire thread and didn’t realize this was about a pee tube. I was simply referring to the oil vent....but a frozen Venturi for a pee tube would cause its own set of problems...lol.