European requirements

[Oscar Avalle]

So here I am trying to organize myself for a potential move to Europe. My question now is (I am really grateful for all your inputs) I have a GDL 88 (ADSB in and out) but 967 not 1090 and a transponder mode C. What do I need to fly in Europe?

 

Thank you!!!

Oscar

[Emmet]

ADSB out is not required for our Mooneys in Europe, but you need Mode-S.
I am not sure if you have to disable the 978 ADSB out.

[McMooney]

I think you may need a radio capable of 8.33khz spacing

[tmo]

For the most part you want Mode-S; I think there is slide-in replacements for the King KT76A, C and KT78A transponders from Trig - the TT31.

You will also need at least one radio with 8.33kHz spacing (a GNS430 will do) and possibly label any 25kHz radios "emergency use only".

What you will want to avoid is moving the plane to an EASA reg

[Philip France 13]

You definitively need mode S one not too expensive solution TT31 from Trig

[Oscar Avalle]

Thanks!!

 

[Schinderhannes]

https://aopa.de/ueber-uns/german-airspace/

I would consider replacing your altimeter with a unit that has hpa settings. 

A second recommendation would be to look into a FLARM receiver ( https://flarm.com/ ) . You will encounter a lot more gliders in Europe than in the US and many gliders, tow planes, planes are FLARM equipped.  

 

[tmo]

12 hours ago, Schinderhannes said:

I would consider replacing your altimeter with a unit that has hpa settings.

That would be very far down my list of things, especially if keeping the plane N-reg; I have a conversion table from the days of dot matrix printers stuck to my sun visor and you can always ask FIS to convert for you in a pinch.

A 8.33kHz radio is most important, a mode S transponder a very close second. You really need both.

[Oscar Avalle]

On 12/17/2020 at 4:27 AM, tmo said:

That would be very far down my list of things, especially if keeping the plane N-reg; I have a conversion table from the days of dot matrix printers stuck to my sun visor and you can always ask FIS to convert for you in a pinch.

A 8.33kHz radio is most important, a mode S transponder a very close second. You really need both.

Thank you very much.

 

I guess my Garmin 750 should be able to do it... (I believe there is an option for that). On the transponder, I will have to look into that... So no, ADSb out 1090 required. 

Oscar

[tmo]

Yes, a GTN of any variety will be fine for the 8.33kHz channel separation radio requirement (Y in the ICAO flight plan equipment list in box 10).

The transponder should really be mode S, but can be plain mode S (I have a King KT-73). You will be able to fly with a mode C only unit, but access to airspace will be restricted. Not worthy of a Mooney ;-)

[jlunseth]

You will probably need to change the frequency spacing for the GTN, check the manual.

[tmo]

TIL (Today I Learned) the newer Garmin boxes don't all do 8.33kHz - for example the GNC355 does NOT do 8.33kHz, you need the GNC355A for that, which costs $700 more. So beware.

[Ibra]

You can look at some here? Also worth getting a read of Part-NCO rules (equivalent to Part91)
https://mooneyspace.com/topic/35387-ifr-upgrade-for-m20e/?do=findComment&comment=605062
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/Part-NCO IR.pdf

For ModeS, you will need it for IFR (except in two countries bellow 3000ft), for VFR it depends on country & airspace but high likely you need one, Trig has some offers

For 8.33khz radios, you will need one (not two 8.33khz radios and you can keep 25khz as backup), see lettre bellow

For now, I think bellow 5700kg is exempt from ads-b in Europe 

On 12/16/2020 at 1:45 PM, tmo said:

What you will want to avoid is moving the plane to an EASA reg

@tmo forgot to put it in bold & big size 

8-33isg-08-ip04-actionisg4-15-d53915-letter833vcsbelowfl195-easa.pdf

[Carsten Gott]

On 12/16/2020 at 11:08 PM, Schinderhannes said:

https://aopa.de/ueber-uns/german-airspace/

I would consider replacing your altimeter with a unit that has hpa settings. 

A second recommendation would be to look into a FLARM receiver ( https://flarm.com/ ) . You will encounter a lot more gliders in Europe than in the US and many gliders, tow planes, planes are FLARM equipped.  

 

That is not necessary!!! There is a much cheaper/better way: you just change the dial! There are dials, that have hpa and(!) in hg, one little window on the left and another one on the right side. So you don´t need a new altimeter, just an other dial. I had that exchanged still in the US, before I brought my Piper Seneca over here. No big deal!

[Carsten Gott]

... and what is REALLY important is the 8.33 Mhz spacing. It is compulsory and you will have a hard time understanding when you don´t... You might hear and be heard, but it is illegal and sounds like the old FM tuners with rotary capacitors, when you dialed them slightly off the correct frequency.

[tmo]

35 minutes ago, Carsten Gott said:

There is a much cheaper/better way

Print out a conversion table and stick it on the visor