Daneshgari Posted December 27, 2019 Report Posted December 27, 2019 Hi Everyone. Has anyone experienced flips in down position that won’t retract? Perry Quote
gacoon Posted December 27, 2019 Report Posted December 27, 2019 Yes, micro switches go bad. Flew it to MSC at KCHD and they fixed by cleaning switches, no problems 2 years later 2 Quote
M20S Driver Posted December 27, 2019 Report Posted December 27, 2019 On my 1999 Eagle I had a similar problem. Gently shaking the flap and cleaning with contact cleaner made it work again but not for long. We traced it to a bad micro switch. Relay is the next suspect if it is not micro switch related. see below: https://mooneyspace.com/topic/13433-flaps-wont-retract/page/2/ Quote
Daneshgari Posted December 27, 2019 Author Report Posted December 27, 2019 Great input guys. Thank you. Mooney is sending me a new something. It looks like that it is a know problem. I have had 6 Mooneys over the last 15 years and never had this problem. This one only has 13 hours on the Hobbs. Perry 3 Quote
Davidv Posted December 27, 2019 Report Posted December 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, Daneshgari said: Great input guys. Thank you. Mooney is sending me a new something. It looks like that it is a know problem. I have had 6 Mooneys over the last 15 years and never had this problem. This one only has 13 hours on the Hobbs. Perry A little off topic, but you can read hundreds of pages on this forum of people postulating on the viability of a new acclaim and what Mooney *should* produce. It’s great to see someone like yourself who actually bought the best product on the market and is supporting the brand. Congrats on your new plane! 4 Quote
mike_elliott Posted December 27, 2019 Report Posted December 27, 2019 There have been some flap relays die of infant mortality on some of the new Ultra's. I believe they recently got a beefier unit to replace them with, but Stacey can ascertain for you Perry. Quote
Daneshgari Posted December 27, 2019 Author Report Posted December 27, 2019 Thank you. I am following up with Kevin. May give Stacy a call too. Perry Quote
Yetti Posted December 27, 2019 Report Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) On the older planes, the get home fix it to wiggle gently the trailing edge of the flaps. Then contact cleaner on the microswitches with the belly open. Edited December 27, 2019 by Yetti Quote
Daneshgari Posted December 27, 2019 Author Report Posted December 27, 2019 I am working with Mooney and will report back how it unfolds. Perry Quote
flyboy0681 Posted December 27, 2019 Report Posted December 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Yetti said: On the older planes, the get home fix it to wiggle gently the trailing edge of the flaps. Then contact cleaner on the microswitches with the belly open. Wiggling them vigorously did get them up on my J, but one time they didn't retract when I had to execute a last minute go-around when a Cessna decided to cross the active as I was about to touchdown at an uncontrolled airport. That was one of three times in my flying career when I got an adrenaline rush because she just didn't want to climb with them fully down. Quote
EricJ Posted December 27, 2019 Report Posted December 27, 2019 47 minutes ago, flyboy0681 said: Wiggling them vigorously did get them up on my J, but one time they didn't retract when I had to execute a last minute go-around when a Cessna decided to cross the active as I was about to touchdown at an uncontrolled airport. That was one of three times in my flying career when I got an adrenaline rush because she just didn't want to climb with them fully down. Mine climbed okay with the flaps stuck down once I got the gear up. Leaving the gear down seems to really kill climb performance. My sticky flaps would self-clear as soon as I got down to close to no airspeed. If I left the switch up by the time I was taxiing off the runway they were up, but they would not retract in flight. In my case I wound up changing out one of the microswitches, as cleaning it never seemed to last for very long. Quote
flyboy0681 Posted December 27, 2019 Report Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, EricJ said: Mine climbed okay with the flaps stuck down once I got the gear up. Leaving the gear down seems to really kill climb performance. My sticky flaps would self-clear as soon as I got down to close to no airspeed. If I left the switch up by the time I was taxiing off the runway they were up, but they would not retract in flight. In my case I wound up changing out one of the microswitches, as cleaning it never seemed to last for very long. Temperature and weight had a lot to do with it. 1 Quote
Daneshgari Posted December 28, 2019 Author Report Posted December 28, 2019 I am working with Mooney and will report back how it unfolds. Perry Quote
Daneshgari Posted December 28, 2019 Author Report Posted December 28, 2019 Hi All. Did another test (still waiting for the part from the Mooney, they are closed until the 6th), no joy. The flaps now trip the breakers. Have contacted Stacy and will see what happens. Perry Quote
carusoam Posted December 29, 2019 Report Posted December 29, 2019 If you want to do some homework... We have a thread or two around here that discusses relays and limit switches on the flap systems of the long bodies... They are industrial/commercial, heavy duty, devices that don’t last as long as some would think... Probably requires being soldered / de-soldered in place... Access to them is under the belly panel nearest the flaps. It may make some sense to pull the panel, find the devices and see why they don’t want to work properly... Bring your favorite mechanic along to verify your electronics ID-ing and cleaning procedures and materials.... This is typical of oxidized/dirty relays... tripping the CBs is probably something more serious... A tripped CB might be caused by a limit switch not operating properly... there is a risk of bending and breaking things when limit switches don’t work right... PP thoughts only... not a mechanic... all stuff I read on MS... Best regards, -a- Quote
Daneshgari Posted December 29, 2019 Author Report Posted December 29, 2019 Thank you. That is what the mechanic has been working on. I would be surprised if corrosion has anything to do with it. It is a brand new airplane with only 20 hours on it. Will report back afternoon the ordeal is done. ‘’Perry Quote
Daneshgari Posted December 31, 2019 Author Report Posted December 31, 2019 Hello all. An update on this issue. Kevin, has sent a control unit, which should get here next week, I hope. I will report back. In my last test the flaps were still stock and they popped the breaker, which was new. ‘’Perry 1 Quote
Daneshgari Posted January 6, 2020 Author Report Posted January 6, 2020 They are telling me that the factory closed again today. So no solution for my Flap issue. Perry 1 Quote
gacoon Posted January 7, 2020 Report Posted January 7, 2020 Have you got a Mooney Service Center near you, they might move things along faster? Quote
Daneshgari Posted January 14, 2020 Author Report Posted January 14, 2020 Hello everyone. I just picked up my Mooney from the Mooney service station at Lapeer D95. They replaced the control unit on the flaps, which Mooney guys (Kevin and Stacy) shipped it to them in those few hours they were open last Monday. What a great bunch of guys. Lapeer guys did a great work and everything is back to normal. Except the ice I picked on my 19 mile to KFNT all went great. Go Mooney guys. Perry 6 Quote
bradp Posted January 15, 2020 Report Posted January 15, 2020 Dane we are (as a group) worried about the warranty support you are going get for your new and awesome mooney while the factory is closed. Is your plan to use the MSC network / lasar for parts? Quote
mike_elliott Posted January 15, 2020 Report Posted January 15, 2020 Dr. Perry, well said. Kevin, Stacy, Steve, Frank, Angela, and a few are really punching for us, while being "rope a doped" themselves. Believe me, you have an army of guys looking for ways to make this all right for you. 1 Quote
Daneshgari Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Posted January 15, 2020 Thank you Mike. They sure are great people. As well as all the Mooney center guys at Lapeer or any other ones. I just noticed that the title of the chain is misspelled. Stock vs stuck. Must have been auto correct or frustration at the time. Sorry guys. ‘’Perry 1 Quote
carusoam Posted January 15, 2020 Report Posted January 15, 2020 Perry, If you want to... You are able to edit the thread title, because you wrote it... Go to the title, find the edit button... It will be there, but only visible to the original poster... Best regards, -a- Quote
Daneshgari Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Posted January 15, 2020 Thank you guys. Just fixed it. 1 Quote
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