CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 8 hours ago, kmyfm20s said: I do and I think you are on the right track with your choice. You can fly an Ovation anyway you want. With or without O2, IFR or day/night just fine. Very versatile model with lots of speed and cabin room! I just had to add a small comment. You wrote about the room and comfort. I found myself squirming in the front seat because I was wearing my New Balance walking sneakers that are very wide. When I fly in my friends PA32R, the plane is 48" wide. You have tons more space to move around in with in your seat. You sacrifice 10-15 knots of speed with the plane. I find it very comfortable but I have zero need for a 6 place plane. Insurance costs are higher, as is everything else and as one mentioned in another post having the speed to do what you want is really a great thing. Especially if as I'm planning on flying some times a 1000 mile trip. The PA32R does not have the range or speed so a trip like that is going to take 7.5 vs 5 hours. Quote
kmyfm20s Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, CoinDealer said: I just had to add a small comment. You wrote about the room and comfort. I found myself squirming in the front seat because I was wearing my New Balance walking sneakers that are very wide. When I fly in my friends PA32R, the plane is 48" wide. You have tons more space to move around in with in your seat. You sacrifice 10-15 knots of speed with the plane. I find it very comfortable but I have zero need for a 6 place plane. Insurance costs are higher, as is everything else and as one mentioned in another post having the speed to do what you want is really a great thing. Especially if as I'm planning on flying some times a 1000 mile trip. The PA32R does not have the range or speed so a trip like that is going to take 7.5 vs 5 hours. I slide my seat back since I rarely have 4 passengers in the plane. When I do that it gets yours legs out of the tunnel and allows you to sit with your knees bent or straight and move your feet around more. Wide shoes on the rudder pedals is another thing you will just have to figure out. I fly in all kinds of shoes and even hiking boots sometimes. With those I have to go to the outside of the pedals so they don’t hit in the middle. I’m almost 6’5” with a 13 shoe. Edited September 22, 2019 by kmyfm20s Quote
kmyfm20s Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 I will also add by moving your seat back you stagger your shoulders which is helpful if you have 2 really big guys in the front. Quote
ilovecornfields Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, CoinDealer said: That is true. No! It’s not true. I’m sure your oxygen levels are dropping during the day as well, you’re just not cognizant of that fact. There’s noting about “night air” that makes it contain less oxygen than “day air.” You’re just more aware of your hypoxia at night than you are during the day. Next time you’re cruising “on the couch” at 12,000 please include a picture of your finger in a pulse oximeter so we can all marvel at your ability to maintain normal oxygen levels at such an altitude. Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, kmyfm20s said: I slide my seat back since I rarely have 4 passengers in the plane. When I do that it gets yours legs out of the tunnel and allows you to sit with your knees bent or straight and move your feet around more. Wide shoes on the rudder pedals is another thing you will just have to figure out. I fly in all kinds of shoes and even hiking boots sometimes. With those I have to go to the outside of the pedals so they don’t hit in the middle. I’m almost 6’5” with a 13 shoe. Mind you when i flew with Steven, it was the first time in a long long time since I was in the plane. All planes take time to figure out. I'm in the infant stage. Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, kmyfm20s said: I will also add by moving your seat back you stagger your shoulders which is helpful if you have 2 really big guys in the front. That is true but in some planes that's not necessary Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ilovecornfields said: No! It’s not true. I’m sure your oxygen levels are dropping during the day as well, you’re just not cognizant of that fact. There’s noting about “night air” that makes it contain less oxygen than “day air.” You’re just more aware of your hypoxia at night than you are during the day. Next time you’re cruising “on the couch” at 12,000 please include a picture of your finger in a pulse oximeter so we can all marvel at your ability to maintain normal oxygen levels at such an altitude. That's a really nasty answer. Needless to say, you can fly all you want at those levels that require you to use O2. I have no need for the altitude in rental planes. Even when I had free use of a SR20 for a year I never flew high except for one flight at FL100 heading south. I live in the NE and have no need for the O2. But thanks for your wonderful insight. Quote
ilovecornfields Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 Just now, CoinDealer said: That's a really nasty answer. Needless to say, you can fly all you want at those levels that require you to use O2. I have no need for the altitude in rental planes. Even when I had free use of a SR20 for a year I never flew high except for one flight at FL100 heading south. I live in the NE and have no need for the O2. But thanks for your wonderful insight. I’m not trying to be nasty, it’s just frustrating to me when someone claims to have superhuman physiology that makes them impervious to the effects of hypoxia that the rest of us mortals are susceptible to. I don’t like reading Mooney accident reports any more than anyone else here and the thought of a hypoxic 70 year old cruising around at 12,000 ft without oxygen in a high performance complex plane completely oblivious to his degree of impairment does not appeal to me. There aren’t a lot of new ways to crash airplanes. Why do we insist on rediscovering the old ones? 4 Quote
carusoam Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 Coin, ILC has a point... He just doesn’t have the bed side manner... Most of us were surprised at how our O2 levels change in flight over time... We found out about 8years ago, when these things became affordable... https://www.amazon.com/Nonin/s?k=Nonin Every now and then there is the opportunity to take a training class using a device called a Prote ‘altitude chamber’... The training includes recognizing low O2 issues... everybody’s hints and cues are different... The cool part of MS... it is made up of MSers with a variety of backgrounds and experiences... The oddity of MS... very few of us are pro writers... (we actually have some pro-writers too...) Try to absorb the intent of the writing, and avoid/ignore the unintended negativity... There is plenty of unintended negativity that occurs here everyday, it only gets worse when it becomes intended... It turns out, we are all on the same team... PP thoughts only, not much of a writer either... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
Bob_Belville Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 21 hours ago, CoinDealer said: I live in NYC. If I ever fly west of NY the furthest i'll ever go is Osh Kosh. I'm never going to learn mountain flying at 70 years of age. @CoinDealer... That's strikes me as amusing. I'm 76, based an NC with a '66 E model - 200 hp short body. (Way too old a plane for your tastes.) I use O2 fairly often and I learned (a little about) mountain flying this summer. I left KOSH with a grandson and visited a great deal of the Western US in a semicircle from the Dakotas over the Rockies to WA and down to the Grand Canyon. Everything west of the Mississippi was done VFR but we were often above 10k'. When you get to be my age I suppose you too will want to use O2 if you're going to be at 7-8000' for several hours. 1 Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, ilovecornfields said: I’m not trying to be nasty, it’s just frustrating to me when someone claims to have superhuman physiology that makes them impervious to the effects of hypoxia that the rest of us mortals are susceptible to. I don’t like reading Mooney accident reports any more than anyone else here and the thought of a hypoxic 70 year old cruising around at 12,000 ft without oxygen in a high performance complex plane completely oblivious to his degree of impairment does not appeal to me. There aren’t a lot of new ways to crash airplanes. Why do we insist on rediscovering the old ones? Listen Spock. You are being nasty and I will try to explain why. You keep sending me things that do not pertain to me or the way I fly. It may for others but not myself. As for physiology , Back in the 80s I was a runner. My best NY was done in under 3 hours at a 9 mph clip. I've never smoked and I don't go near it. I'm almost 70. My niece is in her 50s. My family takes care of themselves better than most. I've taken vitamins my entire life. I could go on and on. Enough said. You fly with your O2 and be safe. Enough said on this topic. I'm done 1 Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, carusoam said: Coin, ILC has a point... He just doesn’t have the bed side manner... Most of us were surprised at how our O2 levels change in flight over time... We found out about 8years ago, when these things became affordable... https://www.amazon.com/Nonin/s?k=Nonin Every now and then there is the opportunity to take a training class using a device called a Prote ‘altitude chamber’... The training includes recognizing low O2 issues... everybody’s hints and cues are different... The cool part of MS... it is made up of MSers with a variety of backgrounds and experiences... The oddity of MS... very few of us are pro writers... (we actually have some pro-writers too...) Try to absorb the intent of the writing, and avoid/ignore the unintended negativity... There is plenty of unintended negativity that occurs here everyday, it only gets worse when it becomes intended... It turns out, we are all on the same team... PP thoughts only, not much of a writer either... Best regards, -a- Taken. I'm exhausted now. Where's the O2 1 Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bob_Belville said: @CoinDealer... That's strikes me as amusing. I'm 76, based an NC with a '66 E model - 200 hp short body. (Way too old a plane for your tastes.) I use O2 fairly often and I learned (a little about) mountain flying this summer. I left KOSH with a grandson and visited a great deal of the Western US in a semicircle from the Dakotas over the Rockies to WA and down to the Grand Canyon. Everything west of the Mississippi was done VFR but we were often above 10k'. When you get to be my age I suppose you too will want to use O2 if you're going to be at 7-8000' for several hours. Bob, I live in a high rise building with a lot of older people in it. In your photo you look like a dozen or so people in my building carrying around their O2. Sorry, I could not resist. Go Yankee's :)) I saw your cap 1 Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 Bob, I just noticed your head sets. I flew with the DC 13.4 until a year ago when I purchased a pair of Lightspeed Zulu 3 Pilot Headset. If you really want to treat your self and your wife to something special, pick up a couple pairs. The difference is night and day. I have hearing problems as did my siblings and parents. My hearing aids are by Oticon and costs $6000 for a pair. The new headsets are a god's send try a pair or two from Sporty's You can return them if you like but my bet is you'll be happy your bought them. Dan Quote
ilovecornfields Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 Sorry, I didn’t realize you took vitamins. I retract my previous statements and will refrain from further comment. https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/news/20190408/study-dietary-supplements-do-nothing-for-health 1 1 Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, ilovecornfields said: Sorry, I didn’t realize you took vitamins. I retract my previous statements and will refrain from further comment. https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/news/20190408/study-dietary-supplements-do-nothing-for-health If you look at the post you just sent me. The first is of my multi. This is a 1 year supply that my niece sent me. She is the top sales person in the south west of New Chapter. Many people talk but some actually tell the truth. I'm one of them Quote
donkaye Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 On 9/22/2019 at 10:29 AM, CoinDealer said: That's a really nasty answer. Needless to say, you can fly all you want at those levels that require you to use O2. I have no need for the altitude in rental planes. Even when I had free use of a SR20 for a year I never flew high except for one flight at FL100 heading south. I live in the NE and have no need for the O2. But thanks for your wonderful insight. I'd listen. He is an ER Doctor. However, as a rather experienced Mooney instructor and runner, too, I recommend O2 above 7,500 during the day for extended flights, and at night from the ground on up. You just feel better after long flights. I like seeing O2 saturation rates of 96%. I notice the difference without it even at 92%. O2 is cheap. Also, remember when it comes to Hypoxia, you don't know what you don't know when under it's influence. Best thing is to carry a couple of pulse oximeters in your flight bag for constant referral. 5 1 Quote
carusoam Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 A couple of stand up people, I’d say... ...and, Thanks to all the fine gentlemen that have offered their deep experiences, to all MSers... Age and Mooney flying... CFII and Mooney flying... ER Doctor And Mooney flying... Yankee’s fan who hasn’t seen a title in years, soon to be Mooney flying... Best regards, -a- Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 I did volunteer work at North Shore Hospital in Manhasset, NY for many years. I worked in the ER and did it for 8 years. My sister has been studying med since the 60s. My brother in laws brother has the patent and was the inventor of the machine that oxygenates the blood during open heart surgery. He also was the first to get a patent on the dental implant. I find it's best not to get in a pissing match with people who are simply trying to get information about a plane. going off on a tangent about O2 or WAAS or a host of other things are superfluous and a waste of time. You don't know me. Don't make a call when you can't back it up. D Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, carusoam said: A couple of stand up people, I’d say... ...and, Thanks to all the fine gentlemen that have offered their deep experiences, to all MSers... Age and Mooney flying... CFII and Mooney flying... ER Doctor And Mooney flying... Yankee’s fan who hasn’t seen a title in years, soon to be Mooney flying... Best regards, -a- I have to be a Yankee fan, cause the Mets are not going anywhere this year again Quote
Bob_Belville Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, CoinDealer said: Bob, I just noticed your head sets. I flew with the DC 13.4 until a year ago when I purchased a pair of Lightspeed Zulu 3 Pilot Headset. If you really want to treat your self and your wife to something special, pick up a couple pairs. The difference is night and day. I have hearing problems as did my siblings and parents. My hearing aids are by Oticon and costs $6000 for a pair. The new headsets are a god's send try a pair or two from Sporty's You can return them if you like but my bet is you'll be happy your bought them. Dan CD, thanks, they'll bury me with my DCs. Love the headsets and the great Worcester MA company that builds and supports them. (The 2 pair in the back seat are over 40 years old... good as new. My hearing aides only cost $4000 but the difference is probably the break we get for living west of the Hudson which to New Yorkers is only semi civilized. We don't put our seniors in high risers. I suppose all those oxygen tanks was caused by breathing taxicab/bus exhaust... (I used to stay at the Elysee Hotel on E 54th St. every week. Y'all live in a different world. I 'm sure you're happy de Blazio is coming home to his day job.) <vbg>. Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bob_Belville said: CD, thanks, they'll bury me with my DCs. Love the headsets and the great Worcester MA company that builds and supports them. (The 2 pair in the back seat are over 40 years old... good as new. My hearing aides only cost $4000 but the difference is probably the break we get for living west of the Hudson which to New Yorkers is only semi civilized. We don't put our seniors in high risers. I suppose all those oxygen tanks was caused by breathing taxicab/bus exhaust... (I used to stay at the Elysee Hotel on E 54th St. every week. Y'all live in a different world. I 'm sure you're happy de Blazio is coming home to his day job.) <vbg>. I have coins I told the kids to bury me with. I doubt if it'll happen. My hi rise is only 22 stories. I used to buy hearing aids from Costco. The comparison of Costco with my audiologist is like trying to race an O with a cub. Not going to happen. Quote
DonMuncy Posted September 22, 2019 Report Posted September 22, 2019 1 hour ago, CoinDealer said: I used to buy hearing aids from Costco. The comparison of Costco with my audiologist is like trying to race an O with a cub. Not going to happen. I am thinking about checking on hearing aids. Your opinion is that Costco is not a good way to go? Quote
CoinDealer Posted September 22, 2019 Author Report Posted September 22, 2019 Costco sell according to them more than anyone else in the country. That is because they are selling a cheaper variety . Many will talk about the service at Costco which is excellent but if you go into them and ask them how their brands stack up to Oticon which I wear, they'll tell you you're getting what you pay for. I used to think theirs were great. They were in a price range I could afford at the time which was $2800 per pair. How ever the technology is not the same contrary to what you'll read that people write. I have acute hearing loss as does my sister. I wore the best that Costco sold for 10 years. Then i bought a pair that cost more than double. These that I have the batteries wear out after about 4.5 days of 15 hours a day usage. Costco, you're lucky to get 24 hours out of each. The hearing quality is light years apart but for many people that are not in public a lot or are satisfied with an improvement with out knowing what they could be hearing, well you get the point. The audiologist that I used for 10 years has been doing this work for 35. She says that the quality is not the same. They are bargain aids. I can afford the best. For me I'm happy with getting what I have. I would first go see a audiologist that is highly recommended in your area. Do the research. When I went for my hearing test at Costco, they put 2 buds in my ears and their test lasted about 5 minutes total. The audiologist that did the test on me, took 50 minutes. She said it takes that long to do a proper test. Good luck with what ever you decide. Dan Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.