Danb Posted October 23, 2018 Report Posted October 23, 2018 A Mooney crashed on takeoff this afternoon, Wayne Rumble N9667M, I don’t know if it’s a MS member, my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family. Close to home brings a depressing and sober feeling. Quote
Boilermonkey Posted October 23, 2018 Report Posted October 23, 2018 Sobering. Prayers to his family.https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=216594Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Quote
Marauder Posted October 23, 2018 Report Posted October 23, 2018 Looks like it went down on takeoff and ended up on the field. https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/10/23/small-plane-crashes-during-takeoff-at-woodbine-municipal-airport/ Quote
MATTS875 Posted October 23, 2018 Report Posted October 23, 2018 Prayers to the family. Hate to hear this. Quote
kmyfm20s Posted October 23, 2018 Report Posted October 23, 2018 Sad news! Always seems to be at takeoff. Quote
bradp Posted October 23, 2018 Report Posted October 23, 2018 Quite unfortunate. Looks like a lot of vertical energy without much if any forward movement. Quote
DXB Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 Horrifying. I asked my instructor who knows that area well - he didn't know the pilot personally but heard he was quite experienced. He was puzzled by the vertical impact profile (no ground scars), with no evidence of rotation (no spin?), and no fire despite obviously breached tanks. I will refrain from further speculation until there's real info, which I would really like to have as a not-so experienced C model pilot who's landed at Woodbine several times previously. Quote
kortopates Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 One fatality in a C model. No pax on board. http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2018/10/mooney-m20c-n9667m-fatal-accident.html?m=1 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
TomR Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 So sad to hear espically since it’s less than 20 miles from me. Prayers for his family Quote
carusoam Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 Prayers... Would there be a follow up (Ntsb, or FAA , or coroner, or anyone?) Experienced pilot, lots of fields... Something wasn’t right... RIP, Mr. Wayne Rumble... @201er was Wayne on the NJMP list? Best regards, -a- Quote
Alan Fox Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 I was sent pics (detailed) from the scene , It was really bad , cage split (or smashed) in half Quote
mike_elliott Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 So sad. If any one learns of family contact info, please let me know Quote
Alan Fox Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 He was the Manager of the airport there Quote
Shadrach Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Alan Fox said: I was sent pics (detailed) from the scene , It was really bad , cage split (or smashed) in half The cages often deform considerably in crashes like these. Most of the time a “split” is the result of a first responder cutting the cage. Steel bends and balls up. I have seen some gruesome auto accidents. No matter how hard the impact, steel tends to bend not break. Can make it a challenge to extricate a body from wreckage Edited October 24, 2018 by Shadrach Quote
steingar Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 I can only hope to be physically and mentally well enough to fly a Mooney at 85. One thing I noticed, if you forget to change the trim and flaps from landing to takeoff configuration, by the time you've stowed the gear you'll be right above stall speed. That assumes you stow the gear quickly. Don't ask me how I know. 3 Quote
Mooney-Mark Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 Never do anything from memory. Always use a checklist. It's too easy to get distracted and forget important things. 3 Quote
thinwing Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 This one shows the same impact signature as every stall/spin event I've seen .Mooneys,Navions,Cubs,you name it...pilots compartment crushed back and cord wise crushing to spar on wings.If rotating ,than one wing more compressed than the other.This is so sad..I want to shout out to all my fellow pilots...WHEN THE ENGINE QUITS OR THE PITCH GOES POSITIVE...SHOVE THE NOSE DOWN! 4 Quote
DXB Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, thinwing said: This one shows the same impact signature as every stall/spin event I've seen .Mooneys,Navions,Cubs,you name it...pilots compartment crushed back and cord wise crushing to spar on wings.If rotating ,than one wing more compressed than the other.This is so sad..I want to shout out to all my fellow pilots...WHEN THE ENGINE QUITS OR THE PITCH GOES POSITIVE...SHOVE THE NOSE DOWN! The wings look entirely symmetric in this case - does that argue against a spin? Or maybe just that pilot had enough time to counteract with rudder but not enough altitude/speed to pull nose up after halting rotation? Quote
jetdriven Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) The incipient spin profile for these is a nose dive. There’s a video of a E model attempting to turn back that did this. Also a 414 recently crashed, sme thing. Edited October 24, 2018 by jetdriven Quote
Robert Sailor Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 All these types of losses are sad and very unfortunate however he was alone, obvousy died instantly and had lived a very full life to the age of 85. Quote
Seth Posted October 25, 2018 Report Posted October 25, 2018 The tail number is N9667M. My former F Mode wasN9567M. Very sad to hear. -Seth Quote
FloridaMan Posted October 26, 2018 Report Posted October 26, 2018 When the engine stops making power, the airplane no longer belongs to you; It belongs to the insurance company. When you're playing blackjack and are showing a 16 against a 7, it's a bad hand. The correct bet is to hit, even though the odds are you'll lose, the odds are slightly less bad than not hitting. I've been to the crash site of the member here who went down into the trees at East Hampton. The trees were burned and the airplane was consumed in post-impact fire, but they got out before it ignited and survived. 1 1 Quote
bonal Posted October 26, 2018 Report Posted October 26, 2018 Very sad, my condolences and prayers to those who were close. At 85 and obviously very experienced my thoughts are some kind of medical event took place. God speed Quote
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