Dear Supreme Leader Mooniac58

[75_M20F]

No further evidence needed as to why the moderator shut down the other threads.

All this nonsense has nothing to do with Mooney aircraft or being a pilot in general.

[Hank]

The first United thread broke down into bickering and name calling, mostly between a few posters, with others trying to have a discussion around and between them. So it was locked.

Then another thread was immediately started so the yelling and namecalling could continue. It was locked.

Now this thread, where the yellers are complaining about having their thread locked . . . .

It's quite simple--yell, call people names, act uncivilized in a family restaurant, you'll be asked to leave. Do so here, your thread gets locked. Don't like it? Act civilized, everything will be alright. Want to act like a boor? Visit elsewhere. Works for restauranfs, bars and websites, each has different tolerances and cover the full spectrum of behavior, but no single place tolerates everything. Pick your place to match what you want.

Mooneyspace is a civilized place. Let's keep it that way.

I'm getting off my high horse now . . . . but I'm not rolling up my sleeves for a fist fight. A nice ale in a frosty mug would be much nicer, and the chance to peacefully sip on it while talking to my friends, without having some jerkoff spill it everywhere with his pushing, shoving and yelling.

[MyNameIsNobody]

19 hours ago, Danb said:

It needs to be said.

 

Tommy your a DICK

Acting like one...example above...often results in "being one".

[Guest]

I found the United thread interesting and educational.  

I had no idea that once you paid for a ticket, checked your bags and been issued a seat that the airline could then at its convience kick you off the plane and by force if needed.

It's sad that discussions which can be spirited dissolve to name calling and personal and other attacks when points can't be clearly articulated or are misunderstood by participants.

Clarence

[Mcstealth]

On April 13, 2017 at 8:57 PM, DonMuncy said:

We just had a similar question over on the bugs forum. I don't like to get involved in contentious debates, as I feel that the best way to stop an unpleasant discussion is to ignore it.

But let me take a shot at this, without taking sides or expressing an opinion as to whether anyone is right or wrong. On any forum, group or discussion site, it seems to me there is the real possibility that feelings can run so hot that the whole system could be put in jeopardy, as it could be so distasteful to a large enough percentage of participants, they would simply drop out. If that happened we could all lose the value of each other's advice and discussion. Or perhaps a topic has been discussed to such an extent that no further discussion seems to be helpful.

Thus, it seems to me that someone needs to make a decision when any topic has reached the point that it should be abandoned. I assume the "administrator" has the job (authority?) to do that. I presume it would be too unwieldy to put such decision making position on a board or tribunal. So it seems that the administrator just makes the decision and we live with that decision. I guess if we really felt he was being too (pick your own term), we would have the choice of starting our own site and administrate it ourselves.  

What is the "bugs" forum?

[Tommy]

 

11 hours ago, Hank said:

The first United thread broke down into bickering and name calling, mostly between a few posters, with others trying to have a discussion around and between them. So it was locked.

Then another thread was immediately started so the yelling and namecalling could continue. It was locked.

Now this thread, where the yellers are complaining about having their thread locked . . . .

It's quite simple--yell, call people names, act uncivilized in a family restaurant, you'll be asked to leave. Do so here, your thread gets locked. Don't like it? Act civilized, everything will be alright. Want to act like a boor? Visit elsewhere. Works for restauranfs, bars and websites, each has different tolerances and cover the full spectrum of behavior, but no single place tolerates everything. Pick your place to match what you want.

Mooneyspace is a civilized place. Let's keep it that way.

I'm getting off my high horse now . . . . but I'm not rolling up my sleeves for a fist fight. A nice ale in a frosty mug would be much nicer, and the chance to peacefully sip on it while talking to my friends, without having some jerkoff spill it everywhere with his pushing, shoving and yelling.

Hi Hank.

Would you be able to give me an example of people shouting and calling names in the second United post?

Upon til someone (here is looking at you Mike) shouted - noted the exclamation mark - "believe it's time to lock this thread up folks. This is degenerating quickly!" New information and facts were still being presented in a polite and courteous manner. I can only surmise that it's *Degenerating* (I don't even know what he meant by that) quickly because one side is clearly winning the debate.

There was no name calling, no shouting until then. The "shoutter" was the person that wanted the thread closed! Isn't that a bit of self-fulfilling prophecy? And you know what happens next time these people don't like a thread they are reading (even though there is no name-calling etc)? They can start the shouting and name-calling to get the thread closed.

The matter of the truth is that no one is yelling, Hank. It's an online forum not a video conference. How do you know that I or someone is yelling? I was typing all these posts during a 12-hour neuro surgical case and you can hear a pin drop in that theatre. So if you don't know that then I guess you are using it as a metaphor to discredit someone by saying Oh LOOK!!! HE IS YELLING, which is easier than actually making valid counter-arguments. Believe me, I have done that before, long time ago, like...hmmm....when I was 6? 

In that second post. No one was yelling, Hank. No one was...

It was a civil, informative, and spirited debate, and one can easily picture that took place in a pub amongst friends - all with a nice ale in a frosty jug. Until someone sitting across the table came and shouted "Stop yelling you all! I don't like the thing you said about United. So shut up all of you and I am asking the publican to kick you all out.." 

 

 

 

[Browncbr1]

Tommy, I could say worse things, but the basics are that you don't know how to communicate very well or when to move on, so you're now on  my (and several others') ignore list.   Wishing you luck when you need help down the road. 

[Tommy]

When people are "yelling" at each other about ROP vs. LOP, it's of no interest to me because I am pretty convinced about one over the other. Do I ask Craig to close the thread? No because I know many others will benefit from the discussion AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, PEOPLE HERE ON MS, I BELIEVE, IS MATURE ENOUGH TO SIEVE THROUGH ALL THE YELLINGS AND NAME-CALLINGS AND GET THE INFO THEY WANT. (now this is yelling!!)

What I am asking is simply a reciprocal fair treatment in United discussion. 

And, honestly, how many times I have to stress this. What's of no interest to you may well be very interesting to others. It's called not-being-an-egotistical-a-hole-who-thinks-the-world-revolves-around-you...

ps. this is a generic message not directing at any individual particularly.

 

 

 

[Tommy]

On 4/15/2017 at 2:23 AM, Browncbr1 said:

Everyone is wasting time on this thread when they could be enjoying some delicious cake.  

 

Sorry to steal your thunder Marauder..

11 hours ago, Browncbr1 said:

Tommy, I could say worse things, but the basics are that you don't know how to communicate very well or when to move on, so you're now on  my (and several others') ignore list.   Wishing you luck when you need help down the road. 

Wow. Says the "Communicator of the Year" that likes to make fun of obese girls by posting their half-naked photos online..

And talk about talking yourself up, bud...

And thanks for the ill-wishing... Remember Karma is a bitch, sometimes...

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And, then, after this reply, will come more people having a go at me for being a dickhead. Even though Browncbr1's insult to me was completely unprovoked. Did I say anything bad about you Browncbr prior to this?

Okay, who is next?

 

[gsengle]

And the hole gets deeper.

Tommy people are trying to tell you, some politely, some more directly that you're not being perceived very well by a large part of the community and that the time for backing down and letting it go came and went a while back.

I don't know why this is such a big deal to you, but everyone is tuning out. Please for your sake let it go.


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[Tommy]

6 minutes ago, gsengle said:

And the hole gets deeper.

Tommy people are trying to tell you, some politely, some more directly that you're not being perceived very well by a large part of the community and that the time for backing down and letting it go came and went a while back.

I don't know why this is such a big deal to you, but everyone is tuning out. Please for your sake let it go.


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And I don't know why this - the community's perception of me - is such a big deal to you and many others that each one of you are taking turns in lecturing me openly when one can achieve the same with private messages... 

I want to tune out but you guys kept coming back! Please for your sake let it go (or pm me!)

 

[gsengle]

Ok I tried. Yep it's me who came to say the last word, to lecture you so as to feel superior. Yep. That's the ticket.

(Could just be people are nice here)

Good luck to you.


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[Tommy]

1 hour ago, gsengle said:

Ok I tried. Yep it's me who came to say the last word, to lecture you so as to feel superior. Yep. That's the ticket.

(Could just be people are nice here)

Good luck to you.


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Ok I tried. Yep it's me who came to say the last word, to lecture you so as to feel superior. Yep. That's the ticket.

Yes. You said it...

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(Could just be people are nice here)

Hmmm..no. A nice person will just use private message not on an open forum. Pretty simple. 

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Good luck to you too (is that Greg?)!

ps. Can't you see I am only replying to individuals who are taking turns to lecture me instead of on the points that I have raised? I have repeated my views no less than 10 times now and am really tired. Happy to argue about the point I made but no one seems to be interested in doing that any more? You lot seems to be more inclined to line up and give me all sorts of sage advices on how I need to just go away, how I need to learn to communicate, and how I need to be less of a dick, the list goes on and on ON A OPEN FORUM (here is another yelling) instead of private messaging...

Like a pack of wolves.

But I don't really care (made no complaints to Craig about anyone) but don't you dare to think that I would just lay down and die when being openly criticised not on the issues at hand but on personal matters?

 

 

[gsengle]

Nicest pack of wolves I've ever met. And yeah let it go. All people will remember is that anonymous people on the internet got under your skin, and that saying your piece and moving on wasn't enough. You won't convince everyone here you're right, and you really shouldn't try.

Lay down and die is kinda melodramatic don't ya think? It's a message board. Now I really am going back to substantive aviation and Mooney posts.


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[ilovecornfields]

Ok I tried. Yep it's me who came to say the last word, to lecture you so as to feel superior. Yep. That's the ticket.
Yes. 
____________
(Could just be people are nice here)
Hmmm..no. A nice person will just use private message not on an open forum. Pretty simple. 
____________
Good luck to you too (is that Greg?)!
ps. Can't you see I am only replying to individuals who are taking turns to lecture me instead of on the points that I have raised? I have repeated my views no less than 10 times now and really tired. Happy to argue about the point I made but no one seems to be interested in doing that any more? You lot seems to be more inclined to line up and give me all sorts of sage advices on how I need to just go away, how I need to learn to communicate, and how I need to be less of a dick, the list goes on and on ON A OPEN FORUM (here is another yelling) instead of private messaging...
Like a pack of wolves.
And do you honestly think people would just lay down and die when being openly criticised not on the issues at hand but on personal matters?
 
 

I couldn't help myself. As a reward for reading the entire thread an old GI joke came to mind (not sure if it applies here).

Q: What's an anoscope?

A: A hollow tube with an a**hole on both ends.




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[Tommy]

45 minutes ago, gsengle said:

Nicest pack of wolves I've ever met. And yeah let it go. All people will remember is that anonymous people on the internet got under your skin, and that saying your piece and moving on wasn't enough. You won't convince everyone here you're right, and you really shouldn't try.

Lay down and die is kinda melodramatic don't ya think? It's a message board. Now I really am going back to substantive aviation and Mooney posts.


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"Yep it's me who came to say the last word..."....So much for the last word....

And, no I am not here to convince anyone but, I will make an exception here, Greg, you should really stop thinking that you know what other people think. I couldn't care less whether or not Greg you are convinced what United has done was wrong (I think Munoz's numerous apologies had done a much better job than I did). I cared more about the new facts and new knowledge that were presented and I gained. 

Okay, if you really want the last word so desperately, I will give it to you. Go on, take your best shot and I promise I won't write back (I may complain to Craig instead)... 

[gsxrpilot]

Now that most of us have added Tommy to our Ignore lists, maybe we can get this thread locked as well. Come to think of it, the ability to Ignore an entire thread would be a nice feature. 

[Guest]

Tommy,

You're not on my ignore list.  Only one person has that distinction.

Happy Easter all, time to go flying.

Clarence

[Hank]

40 minutes ago, M20Doc said:

Tommy,

You're not on my ignore list.  Only one person has that distinction.

Happy Easter all, time to go flying.

Clarence

I thought the same, Clarence, and just checked. After 8-1/2 years here, my Ignored Users list is empty . . .

[gsengle]

Mine was...


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[Tommy]

Mine still is and will always be...

Happy Easter to you all! 

And I did fly today!  

[Marauder]

Hmmm. Ignore list on MooneySpace. Sort of like an internet version of the Amish shun. I like it.


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[MooneyMitch]

1 hour ago, Tommy said:

Mine still is and will always be...

Happy Easter to you all! 

And I did fly today!  

We are more alike than we are not alike.  

 

[Ron McBride]

2 hours ago, Tommy said:

Mine still is and will always be...

Happy Easter to you all! 

And I did fly today!  

Now, that is a nice picture, why don't you show us more pictures about flying in Australia?   Maybe close this subject and start a new one?

[HRM]

On 4/15/2017 at 1:07 AM, peevee said:

And people wonder why I avoid pilots like the plague.

Through a glass eye your throne
Is the one danger zone
Take me to the pilot for control
Take me to the pilot of your soul