Looking for a favor

[jkhirsch]

I will likely be in need of a 1 way ride from KVDF to KEVB in the next couple of days.

Anyone interested in getting some free gas?

[N201MKTurbo]

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=14:2.0.1.1.2.5.1.8&rgn=div8

 

[jkhirsch]

Great post.....you notice I said some free gas. Pro-rata sharing is clearly allowed. If the 1 way part confused you, that's for clarification that someone wouldn't have to pick me up drop me off and then return me. I am in fact flying myself up there and back, I need a ride to pick up a vehicle.

[XXX]

I have a tentative appointment in New Smyrna Beach next week. Looks like Wednesday or Thursday. I'll know for sure by Monday. I'll drop you off if the date works for you.

[jkhirsch]

This has been delayed for a few days.

[mike_elliott]

Wish I could help, Jeff, in CA at the moment.

[Mooneymite]

I know this is thread drift, but the whole subject of "compensation" has gotten to the point that I never share expenses with anyone under any circumstances.  I depend on my certificate for my paycheck, the risk is not worth the rewards!  If I take someone somewhere in my plane, it is always "gratis".

My brother, once was asked by a flight school if he'd be willing to pick up a plane in another city and fly it back to home base.  As a private pilot, he said, "yes" as a favor to the flight school.  As luck would have it, the engine blew oil over the windscreen and quit dead enroute.  My brother did a commendable job of landing in a large field with no damage to the airplane.

The FAA sent him a letter of investigation.  According to the FAA, my brother was receiving "compensation" in the form of free flight time.  It took a long time and many letters and eventually the FAA gave up its enforcement action, but there was never a letter of closure.  Just no further action.

Be very careful of any sort of compensation when flying under part 91.  The way the FAA construes "compensation" may not be logical, or anything close to cash....if "anything" happens during the flight, and the FAA looks into the details, you could be in for a long bout of letter writing.

 

[1964-M20E]

Well you could always have a verbal agreement to rent the aircraft for the transport flight (@ fair value) and then when you get there stiff the owner for the rental fee and of course the owner would not be upset about you stiffing him on the rental fee because the aircraft is where he needs it to be at that time.

 

Remember is is not what you say it is how you say it and if it is not written down it didn't really happened.

[salty]

On June 17, 2016 at 5:12 PM, jkhirsch said:

Great post.....you notice I said some free gas. Pro-rata sharing is clearly allowed. If the 1 way part confused you, that's for clarification that someone wouldn't have to pick me up drop me off and then return me. I am in fact flying myself up there and back, I need a ride to pick up a vehicle.

This confused me more than your original post. If you're willing to fly with a low hours pilot, I might be able to help out. Feel free to message me.

[jkhirsch]

Sarcasm doesn't work very well in non-verbal environments. The paint looks good on your plane!

[N601RX]

On 6/23/2016 at 4:55 PM, Mooneymite said:

I know this is thread drift, but the whole subject of "compensation" has gotten to the point that I never share expenses with anyone under any circumstances.  I depend on my certificate for my paycheck, the risk is not worth the rewards!  If I take someone somewhere in my plane, it is always "gratis".

My brother, once was asked by a flight school if he'd be willing to pick up a plane in another city and fly it back to home base.  As a private pilot, he said, "yes" as a favor to the flight school.  As luck would have it, the engine blew oil over the windscreen and quit dead enroute.  My brother did a commendable job of landing in a large field with no damage to the airplane.

The FAA sent him a letter of investigation.  According to the FAA, my brother was receiving "compensation" in the form of free flight time.  It took a long time and many letters and eventually the FAA gave up its enforcement action, but there was never a letter of closure.  Just no further action.

Be very careful of any sort of compensation when flying under part 91.  The way the FAA construes "compensation" may not be logical, or anything close to cash....if "anything" happens during the flight, and the FAA looks into the details, you could be in for a long bout of letter writing.

 

Good point.  I was in a similar situation a few ago when a friend ask if I would fly his plane out to Texas where he had just moved to. I was listed as an additional insured on his insurance so that was no problem.  After doing some research I found that if I logged the hrs without buying the fuel that would be considered compensation although the hrs had basically zero value to me.

The rules for compensation are being interpreted very broadly.  A reading of some of the enforcement actions and advisory opinions will show that stuff you might originally think was ok will get you in trouble in a hurry if anything goes wrong.

[Guest]

On June 30, 2016 at 11:31 AM, N601RX said:

Good point.  I was in a similar situation a few ago when a friend ask if I would fly his plane out to Texas where he had just moved to. I was listed as an additional insured on his insurance so that was no problem.  After doing some research I found that if I logged the hrs without buying the fuel that would be considered compensation although the hrs had basically zero value to me.

The rules for compensation are being interpreted very broadly.  A reading of some of the enforcement actions and advisory opinions will show that stuff you might originally think was ok will get you in trouble in a hurry if anything goes wrong.

What a load of BS.  If the FAA has enough inspectors to investigate things like this, they have too many inspectors.

Clarence

[XXX]

On July 5, 2016 at 6:24 PM, M20Doc said:

What a load of BS.  If the FAA has enough inspectors to investigate things like this, they have too many inspectors.

Clarence

No worries, if they investigate just have lunch with the attorney general. All your problems will magically disappear.

[co2bruce]

On July 7, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Chupacabra said:

No worries, if they investigate just have lunch with the attorney general. All your problems will magically disappear.

Hahaha, it would be funny if it weren't true