Most desirable year for an m20j ?

[Marcopolo]

"Quad Contols"?  Forgive the newbie in me....

[Bob_Belville]

Just now, Marcopolo said:

"Quad Contols"?  Forgive the newbie in me....

Quadrant vs. push/pull.

Push/pull is generally favored for single engine. Quadrant in a single was an effort to mimic a twin, a DC3, or a Boeing 707.  

[cnoe]

So your snowboard and fuzz ball can both fit at the same time.

Fuzz ball is going to have to sit up though.

Best regards,

-a-

Fuzzball doesn't ski (in spite of being thermally suited) so he's never had to share space with my 'board. That probably wouldn't work out anyway as about the only time he sits up is when my descent rate exceeds ~1,500 fpm.

Regarding others' replies... "a bike" makes good sense, and is likely much easier to load than the "tiller".

[Marcopolo]

Thank you Mr. Belville, still getting used to some of the shorthand around here.

[Bob_Belville]

Just now, cnoe said:

 

Regarding others' replies... "a bike" makes good sense, and is likely much easier to load than the "tiller".

I have 2 tillers. The Mantis would not be a problem, the Simplicity rear tine would be. 

[cnoe]

"Quad Contols"?  Forgive the newbie in me....

[1964-M20E]

my 67 F has split rear seats as well not sure if they were added or original.

 

 

[Bob_Belville]

Just now, Marcopolo said:

Thank you Mr. Belville, still getting used to some of the shorthand around here.

That's "Bob" neighbor. New to you 231? 

[Marcopolo]

Very new to me, yes!  Start transition training later this week.

[Bob_Belville]

20 minutes ago, Marcopolo said:

Very new to me, yes!  Start transition training later this week.

Where are you based? Brandon NeSmith is a great Mooney instructor, works out of KHKY and KMRN. 

[carusoam]

Nice response by CNOE!

Best regards,

-a-

[moosebreath]

Reclining one of the split seats allows easy carriage of a set of golf clubs.

[eman1200]

Reclining one of the split seats allows easy carriage of a set of golf clubs.

How about 2 sets?

[brad]

My 75 F has the split.  I leave the right rear back off.  Two sets of golf clubs and the O2 bottle fit perfectly.

[Guest]

On May 11, 2016 at 0:14 AM, cnoe said:

Sometimes I wish my J had split seats but I'm not sure why. Unlike a certain person on this forum who's been known to transport a roto-tiller in his Rocket, about the biggest thing I've carried is my snowboard (which fit fine) or my boy Eli (95# fuzzball, shown). I'm truly curious; what's the practical use for split seats?

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Did Fuzzy lose 2 siblings to the front seat covers?

Clarence

[eman1200]

My 75 F has the split.  I leave the right rear back off.  Two sets of golf clubs and the O2 bottle fit perfectly.

Could I ask a favor and have u snap a pic next time u have the clubs loaded up? Thanks!

[cnoe]

Distant cousins.

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[jkhirsch]

I didn't see anyone mention it so I will. The split seats are so the two rear passengers can independently recline. This is specifically addressed in the brochure for the Executive 21: (here's a link from the forums https://www.dropbox.com/sh/23ji46lpzilo0xc/AAC6NXAj4hGoLpW4r6mufIDra/Executive 21 Brochure.pdf?dl=0)

It's mentioned on the second page so you know it was a big deal to them at the time.

"executive comfort of reclining seats Four individually reclining seats add to the personal comfort of passengers. New seating design holds you restfully --- you sit "in" the seat not on it! This is lean back, lounging comfort that lets passengers reach their destination rested, relaxed and ready for fun or at their best for business appointments."

Edited June 16, 2016 by jkhirsch

[Marauder]

I didn't see anyone mention it so I will. The split seats are so the two rear passengers can independently recline. This is specifically addressed in the brochure for the Executive 21: (here's a link from the forums https://www.dropbox.com/sh/23ji46lpzilo0xc/AAC6NXAj4hGoLpW4r6mufIDra/Executive 21 Brochure.pdf?dl=0)

It's mentioned on the second page so you know it was a big deal to them at the time.

"executive comfort of reclining seats Four individually reclining seats add to the personal comfort of passengers. New seating design holds you restfully --- you sit "in" the seat not on it! This is lean back, lounging comfort that lets passengers reach their destination rested, relaxed and ready for fun or at their best for business appointments."

The only downside to the reclining seat is the extra math to verify the "reclined" passenger still has the plane within CG limits.

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[M016576]

1 hour ago, Marauder said:

The only downside to the reclining seat is the extra math to verify the "reclined" passenger still has the plane within CG limits.

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Here we go... Cutting butter with a chainsaw again...

[Marauder]

1 hour ago, Marauder said: The only downside to the reclining seat is the extra math to verify the "reclined" passenger still has the plane within CG limits.

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Here we go... Cutting butter with a chainsaw again...

Yep.

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[BruceLee]

On May 7, 2016 at 10:41 PM, zerotact said:

Hi,

 With all the changes through the years, what would you say is the most desirable year to have, and why?   I know the newer machines. Lost some payload.    Etc...

 

http://www.mooneyevents.com/chrono.htm

[MyNameIsNobody]

Based on topic description for Vintage this belongs elsewhere.  That said, 1984 and up.  Retractable rear seats is a MUST for step up/entry or any vintage bird wil do fine.

[Hank]

If you ask a bunch of J owners, each will say the most preferable year is the one each owns.

The throttle quadrant was only used the first year, 77, then they went to push / pull. Don't know when split reclining seats reached the Js, my 1970 C model left the factory that way. But my seat bottom is an actual seat bottom, not seat-shaped cushions in a rectangular fuselage piece.

Expect some upgrades to the J over the years, in installed equipment, changed layout, etc. Then there is the whole 205 thing vs. 201. Another thing is that as the years went by, empty weight increased at the expense of useful load. Then Mooney wished up and allowed a gross weight increase (from 2740 to 2900?). So watch the numbers as you shop.

Remember to have fun as you shop! When you find decent candidates, get everything emailed and go over logs with your mechanic looking for obvious gotchas; if a plane passes that test, visit and fly, haggle on prices and arrange a pre-buy inspection. And post pictures of your new ride!!  

[Hank]

On May 11, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Bob_Belville said:

Quadrant vs. push/pull.

Push/pull is generally used for single engine. Quadrant in a single was an effort to mimic a twin, a DC3, or a Boeing 707.  

Fixed that for you, Bob! (Sorry we don't have a line-through font available.) Some of us actually prefer the quadrant control to having an assortment of knobs sticking out of the panel to try to crawl past getting in and out. It wasn't bad on the Cessna as a student because I had a door on the left, but I really don't want to work my way to the right with the throttle and mixture knobs sticking way out of the panel.

Like everything else it's a mix of personal preference and what you're used to.

Edited June 19, 2016 by Hank