Any words of wisdom for a new 1964 M20E owner?

[Yetti]

On 3/19/2016 at 10:36 PM, MTNM20E said:

Thanks for the help on the keys guys! First stop Lowes;) Probably the least expensive thing I will ever purchase for the aircraft if it works.  Next question is paint chips.  Being a new owner I want to dress the old girl up a bit and give her some renewed shine.  The base color is a nice white that is actually in pretty good shape.  There are a few small chips and scratches here and there that I would like to clear up as I patiently wait for more engine parts to come in.  Is it acceptable to just get one of the paint touch up pens from the local auto store or is there a more appropriate method?  THX

I found that hitting the old paint with a buffer and some wax will really help shine things up.   I also found that Rustoleum Gloss white went well with the original paint.  To the point that I have to point out sections to people after they cleaned the bugs off the leading edge.   Spray some into the cap then qtip for a brush or brush for a brush.   The PPG Auto paint store could not match the parts number from the Parts manual. One day thinking about repainting the green stripes with Rustoleum Merlot.  Some pieces have already gone Merlot, like the step and one of the landing gear brake hose shields.

[Badmoonraising]

I have read your post and all replies with interest as I too have just bought a 64 M20E. 

My insurance is demanding that I have 13 hours dual instruction. Odd number!

Photos of mine. 

 

[Badmoonraising]

I have read your post and all replies with interest as I too have just bought a 64 M20E. 

My insurance is demanding that I have 13 hours dual instruction. Odd number!

Photos of mine. 

 

[HRM]

13 hours ago, Badmoonraising said:

I have read your post and all replies with interest as I too have just bought a 64 M20E. 

My insurance is demanding that I have 13 hours dual instruction. Odd number!

Nice E!

I think the insurance companies use a formula. They dropped in your data and cranked a number out.

I also think each insurance company has a different formula.

My sentence was 10 hours, which went by quick and were just wonderful.

[Mooneymite]

14 hours ago, Badmoonraising said:

I have read your post and all replies with interest as I too have just bought a 64 M20E. 

Congratulations!

Welcome to Mooney ownership.  We want to hear all about your transition......so we can give you tons of unsolicited advice!  

[Badmoonraising]

Sounds good to me Mooneymite!

I have an instructor lined up whom I understand is very experienced. I am already impressed. She has emailed a series of PDF's regarding MP, power setting and leaning procedures. I can now see I have been doing it wrong all along! 

[pinerunner]

On 2/22/2016 at 4:21 PM, Yetti said:

Words of wisdom:  Blue is good - Brown is bad.    One day just for fun I nosed it over just a little and scared myself.  The ASI needle was moving fast to the yellow.

You mean you don't normally fly it in the yellow?

[wombat]

Badmoonraising:   Is that series of PDFs  and leaning procedures something you can share with the rest of us?  Or maybe just me.

Regarding keys:

My plane used to have three separate keys, one for the door, one for the baggage door and one for the ignition.  I went to a local locksmith with a sample of the door and baggage compartment locks and asked if they could re-key those to be the same as the ignition key.   They could do the door lock but not the baggage compartment lock.  They could give me a brand new lock similar to the baggage lock, but I'd have to countersink a flathead screw into that to make it fit.    Countersinks are cheap in Mooney dollars and having one key open everything on the airplane is really nice.

[Hank]

In my C, regardless of cruise altitude, when I nose over to descend at 500 fpm, the needle moves to 170-175 mph. Yellow starts at 175. I would expect your E to perform similarly. 

That is my normal descent profile. 

[Bob_Belville]

13 minutes ago, Hank said:

In my C, regardless of cruise altitude, when I nose over to descend at 500 fpm, the needle moves to 170-175 mph. Yellow starts at 175. I would expect your E to perform similarly. 

That is my normal descent profile. 

Hank, your Vno speed might be 175 mph though I suspect that's a typo. for my '66E the yellow arc is 130 kts (Vno) -164 kts (Vne) or 150-189 mph.

I routinely cruise in the yellow and descend at the red line.

[Yetti]

for my F the Yellow starts at 175 mph....with Ne at 200 mph  It shows 195 as yellow with a read overlay at 200.   It's an old airframe no reason to be testing the limits.

[Bob_Belville]

9 minutes ago, Yetti said:

for my F the Yellow starts at 175 mph....with Ne at 200 mph  It shows 195 as yellow with a read overlay at 200.   It's an old airframe no reason to be testing the limits.

Hank's is a '70C. Apparently between 1966 & 1970 Mooney changed Vno and Vne. Someone here will remember how that was justified. Smooth vs. ribbed elevators, ailerons? Mine are smooth. I'm hazy about the detains.

[Hank]

Yep, my green arc starts too low and goes to 175 mph; yellow is 175-200 mph; Vne = 200 mph. Vfe = 125 mph; Vgo = 120 mph. I know the wing sub spar that the flaps attach it was changed at some point in the mid-to-late 60s; my rudder and elevators are stamped, ailerons are smooth, step is fixed, cowl flaps are fixed. Since I had the doghouse and carb heat extensively / expensively reworked, I now cruise ~145 mphi vs. 133 mphi in the 8000-10,000' range. Either would be respectable for this rental plane.

It appears that the flight was broken into legs, no reason to expect 1:45 to be a problem. I'll be interested to see what caused this engine failure.

The pilot did a great job getting down and stopped in a developed area. I also wonder how much of the facial injuries were caused by the iPad and camera attached to the center post / eyebrow. Their injuries appear to be fairly symmetric, like they both hit the inside part of their faces on something. I'd also like to hear the pilot's side of the actual crash sequence, how the shoulder belts were used, and how effectively they did or did not function.

[MTNM20E]

That is a beautiful plane Badmoon!  Mine has a ways to go. All this talk about the speed of this aircraft is getting me a bit fidgety.  With the utmost respect I can't wait to get mine up into the air! 

[HRM]

16 minutes ago, MTNM20E said:

All this talk about the speed of this aircraft is getting me a bit fidgety. 

Every E needs one of these in the panel.

[Hank]

Good luck getting it that high!

Here's an idea:  have one repainted to read "MACH NUMBER x10" and carefully remove the decimals. You'll impress everyone! Even my C would cruise at 2.2; I'm sorry, that should be "super cruise" at those numbers! 

[mooneygirl]

Hi there, I have a 65 E model. Best airplane in the world. I teach a companion seminar called Right Seat Ready!  As well I would suggest if you can consider attending MooneyMax in Longview Texas May 21-22. There are three spots left. 

Details below:

Cost for the MooneyMax workshop is $249.00 each and the Right Seat Ready class $150.00.   As combined, both workshops will be $300.00
 
To make sure everyone gets the most out of the maintenance class, we are limiting it to 25 people.  At this time, the maintenance class has 3 open places, and upon reaching 25 we will have a waiting list.   If you have not made arrangements for payment, we ask that you do so to hold your place in the classes either by calling the office with credit card information or mailing a check.  Please do not send credit card information through email for security reasons.  I will be contacting everyone as we reach the max participants.
 
The Maintenance workshops and Right Seat Ready class will begin 8:30 a.m. on Saturday, 21st, at Don Maxwell Aviation Services, Inc. facilities at East Texas Regional Airport, 390 Central Road, Longview, Texas KGGG.  Staff will be assisting with those wishing to fly in the afternoon, evening before, with parking, ground transportation or whatever needs you may have.
 
As for meals, a catered barbeque lunch will be provided and is included in the cost.  The second day will begin also at 8:30 a.m. and we plan to finish up by 3:00 p.m. on Sunday to allow everyone to return home at a reasonable time.
 
Looking forward to seeing you both.
 
MooneyMax
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We will be covering the theory of operations, components and subcomponents of early and late model metal wing Mooney Aircraft that will include but not limited to:
 
Fuel systems
Flight Control Systems
Landing Gear Systems
Aircraft Structure
Vacuum Systems
Engine Indicating Systems
Continental Engines
Lycoming Engines
And we will go into detail of completing the steps for an Annual/100 hour inspection on All metal wing Mooney Aircraft
 
The course will follow alongside the Mooney Service and Parts Manuals and will include aircraft on jacks and on a lift for demonstrations of procedures and easy identification of parts.
 
Right Seat Ready
Know your Mooney
Communication
Basic navigation
Flight Controls
Hands on gear extension in Mooney
Instruments
Flight – heads-up flying and display
Landings
Emotional and physiological fears and factors
Medical Awareness In the Cockpit
Using your RSR check list during emergency
 
Hotels
Microtel Inn – Free WiFi, outdoor pool and fitness room.
Ph.903-234-2001
Single $65.00 + Tax
Double $75.00 + Tax
 
La Quinta Inn I-20  - Free WiFi, an indoor pool with a hot tub and a fitness center are offered, plus free continental breakfast.
Ph.903-238-9965
Single or Double $79.00 + Tax
 
Holiday Inn Express Access Rd off I-20 –Free WiFi, free breakfast bar, an outdoor pool and fitness center.
Ph.903-247-3000
Single or Double $93.00 + Tax
 
Transportation
We will be providing ground  transportation to and from hotels.  Car rentals are available on the field also.  Let us know if we can be of assistance.
 
 

[Bob_Belville]

8 hours ago, mooneygirl said:

Hi there, I have a 65 E model. Best airplane in the world. I teach a companion seminar called Right Seat Ready!  As well I would suggest if you can consider attending MooneyMax in Longview Texas May 21-22. There are three spots left. 

Details below:

Cost for the MooneyMax workshop is $249.00 each and the Right Seat Ready class $150.00.   As combined, both workshops will be $300.00
 
To make sure everyone gets the most out of the maintenance class, we are limiting it to 25 people.  At this time, the maintenance class has 3 open places, and upon reaching 25 we will have a waiting list.   If you have not made arrangements for payment, we ask that you do so to hold your place in the classes either by calling the office with credit card information or mailing a check.  Please do not send credit card information through email for security reasons.  I will be contacting everyone as we reach the max participants.
 
The Maintenance workshops and Right Seat Ready class will begin 8:30 a.m. on Saturday, 21st, at Don Maxwell Aviation Services, Inc. facilities at East Texas Regional Airport, 390 Central Road, Longview, Texas KGGG.  Staff will be assisting with those wishing to fly in the afternoon, evening before, with parking, ground transportation or whatever needs you may have.
 
As for meals, a catered barbeque lunch will be provided and is included in the cost.  The second day will begin also at 8:30 a.m. and we plan to finish up by 3:00 p.m. on Sunday to allow everyone to return home at a reasonable time.
 
Looking forward to seeing you both.
 
MooneyMax
The intent of Mooney Max Training Program will be to familiarize and teach Aircraft owners and pilots the M20 Aircraft on all the components and how they together create the fastest single engine piston aircraft today.
We will be covering the theory of operations, components and subcomponents of early and late model metal wing Mooney Aircraft that will include but not limited to:
 
Fuel systems
Flight Control Systems
Landing Gear Systems
Aircraft Structure
Vacuum Systems
Engine Indicating Systems
Continental Engines
Lycoming Engines
And we will go into detail of completing the steps for an Annual/100 hour inspection on All metal wing Mooney Aircraft
 
The course will follow alongside the Mooney Service and Parts Manuals and will include aircraft on jacks and on a lift for demonstrations of procedures and easy identification of parts.
 
Right Seat Ready
Know your Mooney
Communication
Basic navigation
Flight Controls
Hands on gear extension in Mooney
Instruments
Flight – heads-up flying and display
Landings
Emotional and physiological fears and factors
Medical Awareness In the Cockpit
Using your RSR check list during emergency
 
Hotels
Microtel Inn – Free WiFi, outdoor pool and fitness room.
Ph.903-234-2001
Single $65.00 + Tax
Double $75.00 + Tax
 
La Quinta Inn I-20  - Free WiFi, an indoor pool with a hot tub and a fitness center are offered, plus free continental breakfast.
Ph.903-238-9965
Single or Double $79.00 + Tax
 
Holiday Inn Express Access Rd off I-20 –Free WiFi, free breakfast bar, an outdoor pool and fitness center.
Ph.903-247-3000
Single or Double $93.00 + Tax
 
Transportation
We will be providing ground  transportation to and from hotels.  Car rentals are available on the field also.  Let us know if we can be of assistance.
 
 

See you there, D.V., Jolie and Jan!

[HRM]

11 hours ago, mooneygirl said:

Hi there, I have a 65 E model. Best airplane in the world. I teach a companion seminar called Right Seat Ready!  As well I would suggest if you can consider attending MooneyMax in Longview Texas May 21-22. There are three spots left. 

 

Jolie, I see you found out where all the Moon-E's were hanging out.

Good luck with the seminar!

[MTNM20E]

Not sure if the airplane will be in the air by then but I am interested in attending one of these in the future.  Nothing like some aircraft specific training from people that know them inside and out;)

 

Edited March 24, 2016 by MTNM20E

[MTNM20E]

More parts ordered today.  4130 plate for gusseting on engine mount, barry mounts, rapco air pump, oil filter, air filter and a hartzell generator conversion kit.  Can't wait to start seeing everything go together.  I have a lens cover over the landing light that is broken.  Anyone know a part number for it? Can't seem to find it.

[Supercop0184]

Any openings left?

[carusoam]

Lens cover is most likely after market...

Check with LASAR for that.

Best regards,

-a-

[mooneygirl]

There were two openings for MooneyMax and Right Seat Ready as of Friday for anyone interested.  After those are filled, there will be a waiting list.  Contact Jan Maxwell 903-643-9902

[bucko]

Love my '65 E, and you will love yours.