carqwik Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Per this story in the WSJ, it looks like that some air carriers can delay their ADS-B implementation past 2020: http://on.wsj.com/1ZJ4tpN I wonder if they'll push it back for GA too? Quote
Hank Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Don't count on it . . . dont count in the full system being implemented by 2020. Nothing is firm except the requirement for all GA aircraft to be equipped, at our own expense, so that the govt can save money. Quote
RobertGary1 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I wonder what percent of the fleet is ready. Maybe 5%? I delivered a new T206 from the factory last summer and they're still coming off the line sans ADS-B. -Robert 1 Quote
ryoder Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Rule one, wait em out... I quote from my former boss at a software company. 1 Quote
Cruiser Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 all aircraft will be required to be ADSB-OUT which most airlines do now with the Mode S problems come with the WAAS generated location requirement which most airliners are not equipped and will not be equipped by 2020. Quote
Sabremech Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 All all aircraft are not required to be ADS-B out or in by 2020. If you plan on flying in ADS-B airspace you will have to be equipped. If you don't fly in that airspace, like I currently plan to, you don't need to equip. Quote
RobertGary1 Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Basically anywhere you need a mode C transponder today will require ADS-B out. -Robert Quote
Piloto Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 There is another issue with ADS-B out that has not been in public discussion. Will Air Force One or Shepherd One have it? ADS-B out tells everybody (terrorists included) of your plane location on a tablet connected to an ADS-B in receiver without you even talking to ATC. Or to a terrorist drone guided by ADS-B out. While before your plane location was only known to ATC now your mother-in-law can check you out on the multiple websites connected to ADS-B in receivers. I fail to see the advantages of ADS-B for the airlines. Traffic flow is affected by weather, airport capacity or disgruntled passengers. But just imagine a disgruntled airline employee that got fired and wants revenge. He can now go to a hobby store and buy a drone without a background check. José Quote
Andy95W Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 José- Air Force One and Shepard One already broadcast their identity by virtue of their Mode S transponders. Probably shows up a AF22001 or something like that. Quote
RobertGary1 Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 The stuff you see in FlightAware etc is delayed for security reasons. But obviously ads-b is real time. But of course you have to be at an altitude that you can receive the signal. A PC receiver is only $40 though. I have one. Quote
ArtVandelay Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Designing a drone to intercept a plane based on ADSB out is not trivial exercise. If I wanted to go after AF1, I don't need to go through all the trouble. The FAA tells us where AF will be landing thanks to TFRs. All I have to do is get a handheld aviation radio, I'll be able to identify the plane, the runway it will be landing on, all without using ADSB. Somebody has been watching too many Hollywood movies. You don't need ADSB to identify traffic for user fees, we already have OCR. With a camera you can use optical character recognition to automatically record tail numbers. Easy peasy! Flightaware has proven to be a great help to my family & friends, they can watch my progress and have my expected landing time. Quote
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