Marauder Posted February 11, 2015 Report Posted February 11, 2015 Just got an email from L3 announcing a product. Anyone know anything this product? THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG The Lynx MultiLink Surveillance Systems (MSS) are here, providing pilots with unprecedented ADS-B solutions, competitive pricing and a streamlined installation process. Depending on model, L-3 has taken datalink weather, ADS-B and active traffic, a GPS/WAAS and a Mode S transponder and packaged into a single box, easing the installation process with a lighter and more straightforward solution. The Lynx family includes several models, ranging from an ADS-B Out only unit to models with WiFi capabilities and dedicated cockpit display (MFDs) options. The Lynx NGT-9000 is the most notable model with an intuitive touchscreen display that is a form-factor replacement for existing transponders. The NGT-9000 offers an extensive features list and is the most logical choice for pilots looking to take full advantage of the ADS-B NextGen flight environment. Visit L-3Lynx.com to explore all the options and features of the Lynx family of products along with an interactive demo of the NGT-9000 Model. Test fly the touch screen system using your PC or download the free Lynx app for your iPad or Android device at the Apple App Store or at Google Play. Quote
KSMooniac Posted February 11, 2015 Report Posted February 11, 2015 Looks great at first glance... a family of products to presumably fit into anyone's existing or future panel. I'm starting to regret going for the 330ES several years ago, but I needed a new transponder (tray and all) so I opted for that just to get it over with. Quote
orionflt Posted February 11, 2015 Report Posted February 11, 2015 L3 has been trying to get back into the market for a number of yrs, this product line might be worth looking at but the pricing is high. i can do the same thing cheaper with garmin products. Brian Quote
Rhumbline Posted February 11, 2015 Report Posted February 11, 2015 I've been awaiting more information on this since they announced last year that a simple and economical ADS-B offering was forthcoming. Doesn't sound like it's going to be a panacea for those of us with simple panels and older avionics though. Although the 2000 series boxes are not onerously expensive, it looks like you've still got to buy an interface if you have something like a KT76. Back up to $5k in equipment before installation. I'll be disappointed if the resellers can't get the prices down substantially. Quote
Mooneymite Posted February 11, 2015 Report Posted February 11, 2015 I have a real bad taste in my mouth from L-3 factory $upport from years ago. Just hope you never need a repair..... Quote
AndyFromCB Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 I'm not quite sure they are aiming at us. They are aiming at legacy turboprops and jets. Quote
Sabremech Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 My talk with L-3 at Oshkosh was that they were marketing to us and up to VLJ's. There might be more product offerings coming yet, so I'll wait and see. David Quote
N6758N Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 I heard the transponder replacement model with most of the features lists at something like $7,500... Not including installation. No thanks. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote
M20S Driver Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 I think the cat is lost if it costs $7500. L3 will have a few positions open for marketing mangers shortly Quote
jrwilson Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 I think the cat is lost if it costs $7500. L3 will have a few positions open for marketing mangers shortly But I think it is a one box solution for ads-b in and out...maybe I'm wrong but since it has waas gps, traffic display and a mode s transponder, then is it really that expensive? For ads-b in my plane, I'd need to get a waas gps (pricey), new transponder (pricey) plus some type of ads-b system...so all three in the space where my transponder fits isn't all that crazy. Plus it has traffic display... For planes with waas and mode s already, then the lynx isn't a great deal. For legacy planes without all the bells and whistles, then it might not be a bad idea. Besides a one box system probably isn't horrible for installation, relatively... Quote
Marauder Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Posted February 12, 2015 I am wondering what MFD technology it will connect to. They are very vague on the interfaces except to say it will work with the 327/330 Quote
cliffy Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 If they are looking at the VLJ market for this thing it ain't gonna be $2500 period. Has L3 EVER made anything "affordable"? What the market needs IS a stand alone solution for $2500 or less. It could be done if they would extend the recent reference to "meeting ADSB standards not necessarily matching TSO specifics" for experimentals. 1 Quote
jetdriven Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 I talked to them at OSH and they very very vauge. No photos, only a description it has a touch screen, fits into a form factor the KT-76 transponder fits into, and does ADS-B, traffic, et al and at a competitive price. He mentioned 3 differen tmodels depending on capability. if the 20,000 Trilogy that is similar to an Aspen but cost twice as much and actually does nothing is a hint, I'm not getting too excited. Quote
Tmack1 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 this is not an afordable option for the cost of the 9000d+ you could by 430w and a gdl88 and now you got more than just the lynx and even the base model cost more than the gdl88.It would have to be fabulous to justify Quote
FlyWalt Posted February 22, 2015 Report Posted February 22, 2015 It actually looks pretty cool and innovative. http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2015/February/12/L3-unveils-Lynx-line-of-ADSB-products Quote
carusoam Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 No, not that CAT! The touch screen transponder with GPS map and traffic CAT. Don't open the trunk... Hmmmm, -a- 1 Quote
carl Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 Ok so here are some numbers : GARMIN GNS 430W WAAS - GPS/NAV/COM 14-28V $7,895.00 Buy It Now or Best OfferB 19 watching Includes tray, backplate, used connectors and antenna. Working great! Low time unit. Removed for panel upgrade. Condition: As-Removed; working in service. Sold with no warranties express or implied. But now you need somemore stuff Like what ?? The ADS-B module, that is the GDL-88 Garmin GDL-88 Dual-Link ADS-B Solution For Certified Aircraft Availability: Install Only MANUFACTURER: GARMIN - CONDITION: NEW - PART NUMBER: 010-008XX-30WARRANTY: 2-YEAR MANUFACTURER LIMITED WARRANTY From: $3,475.00 7895 +3475 =11,370. plus install fees and that is a used 430w I really think I can avoid the airspace ( sorry for the messed up font) Quote
jrwilson Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 And that assumes you already have a compatible transponder...If not, add that to the price too. See, maybe Lynx isn't so bad... Quote
IndyTim Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 There's an app for that. http://www.l-3lynx.com/app.htm I think that, for folks on the path to comply with 2020 ADS-B, this is an interesting solution. I especially like the NGT9000R+, with is a fully remote model (MFD display only) and active traffic. However I can't find any details yet on which MFDs it's compatible with. Quote
Marauder Posted March 18, 2015 Author Report Posted March 18, 2015 There's an app for that. http://www.l-3lynx.com/app.htm I think that, for folks on the path to comply with 2020 ADS-B, this is an interesting solution. I especially like the NGT9000R+, with is a fully remote model (MFD display only) and active traffic. However I can't find any details yet on which MFDs it's compatible with. Tim -- the likelihood that it will only interface to non-Garmin products is high. The reason the list isn't published is probably related to completing either the negotiations with MFD manufacturers or the testing regime. I read somewhere that most manufacturers adopted the Capstone protocol and Garmin developed their own. Because of this, it would either require Garmin to open up their proprietary firmware (either willingly or by fee) or someone to reverse engineer (and of course we all know how that played out for Aspen with the Connected Pilot technology). My bet is that at some point, a marketing genius at Garmin will realize that Aspen owners (there are thousands installed now) will not move over to the G500 and they will engineer a GDL-88 solution that will be compatible with Aspens and the other MFDs out there. Too big of a market to ignore. But I don't think Garmin will allow these guys and others to gain access to their firmware to display on the Garmin products. Must be nice to be the Gorilla... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote
ryoder Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 I can't wait to see what happens at Zephyrhills in 2020 with all of the sailplanes, gyrocopters, trikes, and old ga fleet flying out there on the weekends. There is no way a 10k 150 is going to be compliant and we are under the veil of Tampas class bravo and the gliders fly in the area up to 6k feet underneath the airspace. Plenty of people don't have mode c out there. Quote
Marauder Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Posted March 20, 2015 http://youtu.be/I3hVIHKGXcc Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote
PTK Posted March 20, 2015 Report Posted March 20, 2015 Someone with a basic panel who doesn't care to break the bank, but still wants both in and out, I think would benefit from this option. It is a complete ADS-B solution priced right for what it provides, IMO. To add all this functionality to a basic non GPS panel with say Garmin you'd be in over the 20k $ range! Quote
Marauder Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Posted March 20, 2015 Someone with a basic panel who doesn't care to break the bank, but still wants both in and out, I think would benefit from this option. It is a complete ADS-B solution priced right for what it provides, IMO. To add all this functionality to a basic non GPS panel with say Garmin you'd be in over the 20k $ range! It is an interesting approach. The list price for the 9000 model is in the $10k range, high enough to scare many people away from essentially a $10k transponder. I really wish they would disclose which MFDs their units will work with. Quote
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