Great ADS-B article

[Wildhorsesracing]

Here is a nice ADS-B article that explains a lot.  I am hoping to avoid ADS-B out for a while until the prices get down to less than 1/2 the value of my A/C!   

 

http://generalaviationnews.com/2014/11/13/can-you-ignore-the-ads-b-2020-mandate/

[bonal]

As long as I can fly into delta I'm ok. But since I need to go above 10000 for safe mountain passage looks like I will have to conform. I'm going to wait as long as I can and hope technology brings a lower cost.

[carusoam]

Fortunately or unfortunately, M20s aren't just bug-smashers...

Nice article, it points out that X-country machines are going to want ADSB out.

Best regards,

-a-

[Cruiser]

Fortunately or unfortunately, M20s aren't just bug-smashers...

Nice article, it points out that X-country machines are going to want ADSB out.

Best regards,

-a-

 

Did you mean "need ADSB out" ?

I see very little value in this system even when it is fully operational. What benefit will GA airplanes actually get ?

[Wildhorsesracing]

Did you mean "need ADSB out" ?

I see very little value in this system even when it is fully operational. What benefit will GA airplanes actually get ?

 

I already see the benefit from the weather and location of planes that have ADS-B.  I just can't see me spending 1/2 the value of my airplane to get the "out" portion.  Hopefully there will be an economy version soon!

[Jerry 5TJ]

An ADS-B Advantage:

 

With the XM subscription at about $59 per month, over $700 per year, if I switch to ADS-B out this year with (say) a GDL88 linked to my extisting GNS530W I'll be money ahead before 2020 is over.  

 

So there is a cost benefit in ADS-B for us, right now.

 

Oh, wait, there's more -- I will get active traffic from the ADS-B Out system which I don't have at all right now.     Guess I'll go get in line at the avionics shop this winter.

 

 

[M016576]

An ADS-B Advantage:

With the XM subscription at about $59 per month, over $700 per year, if I switch to ADS-B out this year with (say) a GDL88 linked to my extisting GNS530W I'll be money ahead before 2020 is over.

So there is a cost benefit in ADS-B for us, right now.

Oh, wait, there's more -- I will get active traffic from the ADS-B Out system which I don't have at all right now. Guess I'll go get in line at the avionics shop this winter.

You'll only be money ahead if the FAA lobbying to get effective prices reduced by half or greater fails.

While I wait to see how that all pans out, I bought a GDL39 on eBay for $500 and have it connected to my AERA. Cancelled my XM WX subscription over a year ago and couldn't be happier with the switch.

[Releew]

I've had ADS-B installed now for a month.  The results are good so far with the exception of the traffic alerts.  Distances for TA's are NOT user configurable.  After a few calls to Garmin support, I finally got to an Engineer in Seattle who gave me the best description of the algorithm used to calculate converging traffic and what dictates a problem situation.  He continuously told me their calculations and variables were FAA accepted as the standard.  Still looking for that information......  Anyway... from what I gather, if that little triangle goes solid yellow you have less than 20 seconds to see and avoid.  I have an older Ryan TCAD system installed as well.  Over 20 years old, but it gives vertical separation and either approaching or departing traffic in tenths of a mile (no direction).  Its been EXACT since we've had the plane. Only the Ryan 9900B can be integrated into the GDL 88 platform and be configured as a combined display on the 530.  No way I'm getting rid of TCAD system.  Although a much older system I have a 2 mile window of Traffic Alerts.  If nothing else, its a great heads up to a traffic situation.  Two completely different technologies and two completely different results!

 

 

Rick

[carusoam]

Cruiser,

Allow me to clear up my thought...

I am not very interested in the government handing me another rule to follow...

But since they did, (ADSB 2020)...

The article posted here, is brief and easy to read and says that the way I use my Mooney, I am going to need ADSB Out.

I am going to need a source of GPS with WAAS to go with that.

I hope that all comes with GPSS and a big HD touch screen.

I have already skipped the last expensive round of graphical GPS equipment.

The next round is clearly coming.

Fortunately, it is still very distant into the future.

This time we have some choices... G, BK and others...

Best regards,

-a-

[Wildhorsesracing]

...

The next round is clearly coming.

Fortunately, it is still very distant into the future.

...

-a-

 

True, a LOT can happen in electronics in 6 yrs...iPads are only 4 yrs old! 

[neilpilot]

With the XM subscription at about $59 per month, over $700 per year, if I switch to ADS-B out this year with (say) a GDL88 linked to my extisting GNS530W I'll be money ahead before 2020 is over.  

Jerry, I have XM (the $35/mo version) on my GNS430W, and no experience with ADB-S weather.  I like having XM intergrated into my 430 screen and not having to also fidget with another device.  Also, I've heard that the 2 weather sources are quite different in timing and display.  How do you compare the QUALITY of the 2 weather sources?

[scottfromiowa]

Cancelled XM subscription over a year ago with purchase of GDL39. Hard mounted to a panel mounted 696 and bluetooth to a co-pilot yoke mounted IPad. Paid for GDL39 already with lack of basic XM monthly fee. Weather is NOT as detailed as the XM, but more than adequate for my VFR purposes. Really like being able to call up the weather at various airports in flight running the pilot AP on the Ipad.

I agree that a lot of nice hardware is being worked on right now and hopefully will allow mobile devices for in and out. We shall see. The thought of installing a new GPS and transponder is daunting.

Hope the fog clears on legal options for a guy based in Class C that flies primarily in areas where compliance would not be mandated.

[ryoder]

I'll start thinking about this in 2019.

[Wildhorsesracing]

I'll start thinking about this in 2019.

 

LOL! I was going to wait for the "firesale" of ADS-B products in 2020! 

[gsxrpilot]

I currently have a 530W, therefore if I'm understanding this correctly, the addition of a GDL88 is about the cheapest/best way for me to be fully ADS-B compliant everywhere below 18,000ft?  A couple of questions...

 

1. Does anyone have this setup today? And if so, could you send a screen shot of what weather and traffic looks like displayed on the 530?

2. Will the GDL88 also output to an iPad for Traffic/Weather?

 

Thanks,

[ArtVandelay]

I currently have a 530W, therefore if I'm understanding this correctly, the addition of a GDL88 is about the cheapest/best way for me to be fully ADS-B compliant everywhere below 18,000ft? A couple of questions...

1. Does anyone have this setup today? And if so, could you send a screen shot of what weather and traffic looks like displayed on the 530?

2. Will the GDL88 also output to an iPad for Traffic/Weather?

Thanks,

Regarding 2., yes if you add Flightstream 210 box

[Cruiser]

but it only outputs to the Garmin Pilot app.

[Marauder]

I currently have a 530W, therefore if I'm understanding this correctly, the addition of a GDL88 is about the cheapest/best way for me to be fully ADS-B compliant everywhere below 18,000ft? A couple of questions...

1. Does anyone have this setup today? And if so, could you send a screen shot of what weather and traffic looks like displayed on the 530?

2. Will the GDL88 also output to an iPad for Traffic/Weather?

Thanks,

To be fully ADS-B compliant, you only need to be broadcasting an "out" signal. The benefit is supposed to be the "in". As was mentioned below, to get the weather and traffic beyond your 530, you will need both Flighstream and the Garmin App. Another thing to consider is that there are limitations on the GDL-88 with the GNS series. Check out the "compatible devices" page here: https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/digital/in-the-air/avionics-safety/ads-b/gdl-88/prod63471.html

[garytex]

If you stay and D and E airspace and are not ABS be out compliant could you still get flight following?

[Andy95W]

To be fully ADS-B compliant, you only need to be broadcasting an "out" signal. The benefit is supposed to be the "in". As was mentioned below, to get the weather and traffic beyond your 530, you will need both Flighstream and the Garmin App. Another thing to consider is that there are limitations on the GDL-88 with the GNS series. Check out the "compatible devices" page here: https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/digital/in-the-air/avionics-safety/ads-b/gdl-88/prod63471.html

I had been researching this for myself, and I'm not sure the differences between the GNS and GTN series navigators is all that significant. The GTN will track and display 30 targets, the GNS will track 30 targets but only display the closest 8. I think if I'm surrounded by 8 other airplanes, I should probably be looking outside more than inside any way. The display is in the older "TIS-A" symbology, which isn't that big of a difference in the first place and is actually the way traffic is still displayed on airliners.

Paul (Rocketman)- the GNS supplement that has the info about the GDL-88 interface (along with display examples) is below:

http://static.garmincdn.com/pumac/190-00356-37_0A_Web.pdf

From there, the cheapest way to get the info to the iPad is probably the portable GDL39, but garmin now has that cool Connexct deal that will bluetooth the data to the iPad and let you program the flight plan from iPad to GNS-530 to boot.

[FloridaMan]

That's cool and all, but why this mandate, yet there's no regulations regarding drones and drone operators? Something that would prevent unlicensed drones from getting anywhere near an aircraft or airport, and that would require pilots wishing to operate in other areas to go through rigorous training. 

[schule]

Will all the crappy drone traffic on short final be required to be ADS-B compliant? Or is it too fashionable to worry about such detail? I wonder how many kids in NYC will get an RC drone gift for Christmas, and have no idea they are creating a hazard to real aviation.........