N201MKTurbo Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XWxF7Tp5nCM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXWxF7Tp5nCM 1 Quote
chrisk Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 I want to know if the pilot gave it a few practice runs at another air field before going for it. Quote
jetdriven Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 On 1/13/2014 at 11:52 PM, N201MKTurbo said: I just watched the takeoff video. Ran the engines up to full throttle, no waiting for Vr the nose wheel was off the ground after about 100 feet. It looked like they lowered the nose to stay in ground effects then maybe touched down for an instant and off they went with plenty of runway left. That looked like a normal ops light weight full thrust takeoff. A light guppy is pretty sporty. 2 Quote
201er Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 As Mooney pilots, would you guys not have the sense to go around if you were expecting a 3000ft runway and came up on a 1500ft runway instead!? I'm just shocked they went ahead with the landing. Quote
jetdriven Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 At night and differing runway light configurations at times it is impossible to distinguish a short narrow runway from a long wide one. 3 Quote
flyboy0681 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 On 1/14/2014 at 6:00 AM, jetdriven said: At night and differing runway light configurations at times it is impossible to distinguish a short narrow runway from a long wide one. I think they were in the mindset that they were in the right place and didn't give runway length any thought. 1 Quote
wishboneash Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Still don't get it. One is a controlled airport the other is uncontrolled. Can't recall if the tower was closed, but still different frequencies, runway orientation etc. etc. Did they just broadcast in the blind and land? Perhaps liveATC has the voice communications. Quote
flyboy0681 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 It seems to b On 1/14/2014 at 5:44 PM, wishboneash said: Still don't get it. One is a controlled airport the other is uncontrolled. Can't recall if the tower was closed, but still different frequencies, runway orientation etc. etc. Did they just broadcast in the blind and land? Perhaps liveATC has the voice communications. It seems to be a series of errors. I heard that approach handed them off to the tower and they were cleared to land. What hasn't been released yet is whether the tower was looking for them. Quote
bnicolette Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 On 1/14/2014 at 5:18 AM, 201er said: As Mooney pilots, would you guys not have the sense to go around if you were expecting a 3000ft runway and came up on a 1500ft runway instead!? I'm just shocked they went ahead with the landing. Keep in mind Mike that you are moving at 70 knots (excuse me, you have the AOA, I meant 67.3589 knots on final, ) as opposed to 1?? knots. It is tough to imagine this sort of thing happening as frequently as it seems to be. I'm sure we've all had the wrong airport in our sights but eventually figured out that it just wasn't adding up before we got too close. Feel bad for those guys and just hope they have fatigue on their side. Quote
Marauder Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 On 1/14/2014 at 5:49 PM, Bnicolette said: Keep in mind Mike that you are moving at 70 knots (excuse me, you have the AOA, I meant 67.3589 knots on final, ) as opposed to 1?? knots. It is tough to imagine this sort of thing happening as frequently as it seems to be. I'm sure we've all had the wrong airport in our sights but eventually figured out that it just wasn't adding up before we got too close. Feel bad for those guys and just hope they have fatigue on their side. I wondered how long it would take for one you corporate types to chime in How's Florida? What I don't get is that situational awareness is Pilot Training 101. I remember on my first flight the instructor asking me, "So where is the airport?". Even if you are on a visual, don't you guys load up the approach for the airport to aid in tracking your position? I realize speed and traveling to a bunch of new airports add to the potential for error, but we are talking about professionals... Oh, you transposed a couple of numbers on Mike's speed. It is 67.5389 knots on final. Quote
bnicolette Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 On 1/14/2014 at 5:59 PM, Marauder said: I wondered how long it would take for one you corporate types to chime in How's Florida? What I don't get is that situational awareness is Pilot Training 101. I remember on my first flight the instructor asking me, "So where is the airport?". Even if you are on a visual, don't you guys load up the approach for the airport to aid in tracking your position? I realize speed and traveling to a bunch of new airports add to the potential for error, but we are talking about professionals... Oh, you transposed a couple of numbers on Mike's speed. It is 67.5389 knots on final. Back home! I can't say what the 121 guys do, but Byron can. (and I have no idea what equipment they have onboard) However, yes we always back up with what is available even on CAVU days/nights. Especially during night time and if there's no ILS then we will load in the GPS approach, if for nothing else to get a vnav to the runway. 1 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 I would have to seriously knock on some wood before I would second guess what happened on this flight. The best pilots in the world are not perfect or they would not need the plane.... 1 Quote
201er Posted January 15, 2014 Report Posted January 15, 2014 On 1/14/2014 at 5:49 PM, Bnicolette said: Keep in mind Mike that you are moving at 70 knots (excuse me, you have the AOA, I meant 67.3589 knots on final, ) as opposed to 1?? knots. It is tough to imagine this sort of thing happening as frequently as it seems to be. I'm sure we've all had the wrong airport in our sights but eventually figured out that it just wasn't adding up before we got too close. Feel bad for those guys and just hope they have fatigue on their side. Brett, I'm less shocked that they landed at the wrong airport than not realizing that the runway was running out at twice the normal rate....!!!! I bet at 140knots, this would be an even more drastic picture. Quote
phecksel Posted January 15, 2014 Report Posted January 15, 2014 Dependency on GPS? I thought SOP was to tune in the localizer, even in CAVU Quote
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Report Posted January 17, 2014 A fine display of airmanship. Similar to Air France, Northwest, Asiana and Boeing. Quote
Dave Marten Posted January 18, 2014 Report Posted January 18, 2014 On 1/17/2014 at 11:38 PM, M20Doc said: Perhaps they were the Asiana crew from San Francisco? Nope - The SW crew had no trouble with the night visual landing on a small runway. Unfortunate incident, but at least those boys have got some flying skills! Infact perhaps after they taxied clear they said "Take that Asiana!" Had I been a passenger I'd much rather land safely on the wrong runway then crash on the right one! I'll book on SW anytime! 2 Quote
moodychief Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Posted January 18, 2014 On 1/18/2014 at 12:55 AM, Dave Marten said: Nope - The SW crew had no trouble with the night visual landing on a small runway. Unfortunate incident, but at least those boys have got some flying skills! Infact perhaps after they taxied clear they said "Take that Asiana!" Had I been a passenger I'd much rather land safely on the wrong runway then crash on the right one! I'll book on SW anytime! They had to shut down on the runway because the taxiways aren't built for an aircraft that large. The next day they took off in the opposite direction with a 9 knot headwind straight down the runway. Quote
RJBrown Posted January 21, 2014 Report Posted January 21, 2014 I book SW every time I can. $36 to $41 each way DEN to PHX with 100# of checked baggage. If I book more than 2 weeks out. It would be tough to missplace either of those airports. Quote
1964-M20E Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 A guy I work with, his friend works for SW and is one of their flight instructors and he flew the plane out of there. Working on meeting him sometime soon. Quote
Mooneymite Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 On 1/15/2014 at 2:02 AM, phecksel said: Dependency on GPS? I thought SOP was to tune in the localizer, even in CAVU Doesn't matter what you have tuned in....if you are concentrating outside the cockpit on a visual. There's a lesson there. These pilots were not 3000 hour newbies. They were among the best pilots SWA could hire. If they can make that mistake, any of us can. Quote
DAVIDWH Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 I don't worry about the wrong airports. I just worry about the wrong runways. Quote
bnicolette Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 On 2/6/2014 at 2:05 PM, Mooneymite said: There's a lesson there. These pilots were not 3000 hour newbies. They were among the best pilots SWA could hire. If they can make that mistake, any of us can. Not to be a devils advocate but I have learned not to equate a pilots skills to their total time. Complacency is the real culprit here. 1 Quote
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