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Welcome Alex, I also purchased a C model as my first plane, and I had about 160 total hours when I purchased it. I am the sole owner of my plane, and in the past 2.5 years I've added to that number quite a bit. It's been a great first plane (though it took a little bit to get used to-it goes a lot faster in the pattern than the 172s and Cherokees that I was flying). I don't know of a good pre-buy location near Buffalo, but I would make sure that you go through a reputable source. I am also not sure if the pre-buy process is any different for a partnership. That's the kind of thing that one of the old pros like Hank can answer. I have heard a number of stories, though, of pilots (of any type of aircraft) thinking they were getting a better operating machine than they actually did. Most folks on this site will recommend a Mooney Service Center. (You can find MSC locations on the Mooney Aircraft site under Support.) I agree with smwash02. If you keep your plane maintained well, it is an economical plane. I think 10K will get you quite a bit of use per year. I spent more than that on my first year, but have been significantly under in the past year and a half. I have a 2-blade prop. To be honest, I haven't been in a 3-blade C, but I know it makes the nose a little heavier. That shouldn't be a big deal, though. If you're looking to keep flying expenses under 10K, I think that a Mooney will help you do that better than a Cardinal RG. (I'm not biased, of course, at all.) You'll save quite a bit of money on just gas in the long run. Plus, a Mooney just looks better.

They didn't get washed! I saw him after he got back and he still had them on. You could have stood them up in a corner. Stinky takes it in stride. PG, well, I'm not sure how he takes it. But I sure know he gives it.

If the jury is still out, they are stupid. Hundreds and really, thousands of flat tappet cam failures in the same mode, and we have two corroded roller cams in 10 years, neither of which were failing, they were found on prop strikes. Spalling happens when metal is picked up from sliding friction, rollers dont fail like this. They may fail, but show me 40 roller cam failures on this board and I'll believe it.

Any one know this guy? ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7zuQWBIhOk

These gauges are pretty crude. They are just a coil that produces a magnetic field to move the needle in series with a resistive sensor. There is no internal voltage reference they just use the bus voltage so they are susceptible to voltage changes. The heater pulls about 10 amps. There may be some higher than normal resistance in your bus connections that are allowing more voltage fluctions than normal when the heater is turned on.

are you sure it is not coming from a headset or an iPad sitting on or near the dash ?

I've been biting my tongue!!!

Can we delete the apostrophe in: "The online community for those that own or love Mooney's!" Mark site read

Hi Alex, The C model is probably the best bang for the buck. We purchased our 66 C in 2010 and have taken it on cross country trips from Wisconsin to Texas and back. I consider mine a two seater with an excellent baggage load as most of my flying is just my wife and I. Good luck on your search. David

Hello Alex, my thought on this were it me would be not to buy into a high time engine it's no gauranty that it's going to fail any more than a low time is going to run for a long time however an OH would likely cost more than the total value of that airplane. If the current owner would agree to some kind of percentage share of the new engine then that might make sense. Personally I like having total control over what happens with my airplane so partners are not for me. I understand the desire to find an airplane that is right there at your home field. Tale a step back and do some shopping there are lots of good C models that are selling for what an OH might cost you. Whatever you decide to do congrats on getting your license and best wishes for all your aviation endeavors.

Friends don't let friends fly Cardinal RGs.

You didn't bug the table to listen in on the conversations? Here is a nice flower arrangement for your table please speak loudly into the daisy.

sit down before you get the price from Mooney! The welding shop I tried said they could not weld it. (it was a shop that did speciallized welding) (sent you a pm)

Carl is right , beware the Parrott , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LL3U9hDPwQ

More fuel for the fire. Tonight in the restaurant were 10 Mooney shirts. I bereated them about how long it was taking for the press release and they said "what press release" with a smile. Now why are 10 Mooney guys in my restaurant, on a Tuesday night? I didn't get into it with them, or try to press for information, but I take it as a good sign. more fuel for the fire. df

How much does the site need for annual costs? I'm over on the Piper forum and they have whats called Supportive Membership for $30/yr. Maybe we could bring in the same aspect? I would pay to support the site and not deal with ads. I'm here on the daily and this site has been the only thing to stop me from pulling the hair out of my head sometimes. "Here at Piper Forum we strive to provide a friendly and technical oriented community with limited advertising that works towards our hobby and rights. We have started a Supporting Member program to help fund all the various financial obligations the community incurs; Hosting, Software, Marketing and Legal. For only $30.00/yr or $3.99/month you gain the following benefits to your Membership here at PiperForum and help support the further growth of our general knowledge base and community. Supporting Member image under your user name. Less advertising. NO mobile advertising Unlimited private message space. Unlimited file attachment space. Unlimited gallery space. Larger Avatar dimensions and file size. Larger Profile Picture dimensions and file size. The satisfaction that you are supporting a great community with a great cause

, too. You forgot the ",too" at the end of your sentence. Except I think they got washed between trips if not during them . . . Stinky's more fun to pick in then Peter Garmin, he takes it so much better. Love ya, Mikey!

Let's not forget he had them on when he toured above the Artic Circle.

That's easy, Erik drowns as he tries to get to STARY intersection. Gurgle, gurgle...

copy the logs and post here. We were all operating on your statement that the bottom end had 400 SOH and the top 1000 SOH.

Thanks to you and all the others who have posted. The nice thing to know is that our pilot training does work if we stay calm and fly the plane.

It's a young, clean shaven stinky Pants , before he wore the the same (!) pants for two weeks circumnavigating the Caribbean, wasn't it? I think it was these same pants . . . Now that he's married, though, he'll only be able to do that when she's not with him, and I don't see him making an epic journey like that alone.

My opinion is… It depends. When I needed engine work in 2010, it was important to me that the shop be local. In the event that there were any issues, I wanted to be able to have a face-to-face. Some people are more concerned about branding. Having a factory engine may help you if you decide to sell your airplane in the near future. There are reputable shops around the country that can provide both an impressive pedigree and a reliable engine without having to go the factory route. My take on roller tappets is that they are more marketing campaign then usable technology on a certified Aviation engine. They are used in high performance engines to run aggressive cam profiles without having to increase duration (ramp up). Roller tappets also significantly reduce frictional losses. On the downside they add weight to the valve train. So how would roller tappets be beneficial in a certified aviation engine? In my opinion they're really not. It is my understanding that Lycoming had to alter the cam profile to keep power output within certification levels. They engineered the new cam to negate the true benefit. Will roller tappets help prevent cam spalling? I think the jury is still out on that, but I have serious doubts (as I alluded to earlier with my steamroller comment). Cams in the IO360 don't typically fail because of lobe/lifter pressure, they typically fail because of pitting/corrosion. I don't understand how a roller tappet will prevent this but I'm all ears if someone has an explanation. We had our engine done back in 2000, it was built by a friend of the family who ran a small FBO and managed an airport in the mid-west. I feel he did an excellent job and would recommend him, but he's out of the business and working for the FAA now.

Made an immediate turn to the airport and descended very gradually. I was actually very high on the approach and had to do some S turns to lose altitude to not overshoot the runway. Better than being too low, though.

Wait-wait! I'm good at those problems.....!

Cabana boy, I can second PiperPainter, budget $100, and you won't be dissapointed. The hardest thing for me has been stumbling thru the Eapis website. It can be "fussy", not impossible, but ... My favorite jumping off point is KFPR, my favorite spots are Eluthera and Long Island. I flew out here commercially for several years back in the nineties, and learned it's ALMOST always VFR, and if it's not, in 20 minutes it will be (assuming you're not silly enough to launch into a hurricane or impending hurricane) Sooooo, for routes, I prefer going VFR and staying within gliding distance of the islands. The first 60 or so miles are really the only time you're over open water. IFR out here is kinda cumbersome and NOT what we get in the states. For me, VFR works best. Hope this helps, Oldnotdead

You guys are off my Christmas card list.

What follows is a video of captivating footage with Legacy and Super Hornets out on cruise, running low level training missions, shooting missiles, dropping bombs, and perpetuating absolutely everything cool about being a fighter pilot. Well guys, it’s time to buckle up and hang on to your hats, because this one is a beauty! The Royal Australian Air Force produced their own version of the famed Hornet Ball video, as they too fly the Boeing F/A-18F Super Hornet and F/A-18C (Legacy) Hornet. Ask any USN or USAF fighter pilot who has had the privilege of flying with the RAAF – these folks are pros and extremely good at their craft. Watch as these Aussies bring the noise from down under! Enjoy! http://fightersweep.com/993/video-australian-hornet-ball/ My kinda cool....

Your engine is about where mine is. OH'd in 2000 1150SMOH. If I were you, I would do the wobble test before anything else. If it passed the wobble test then I would run it for 10hrs and then recheck.

Do a leak down test and scope it. Oil more likely comes from rings. If the oil consumption is ok you can monitor it. Otherwise pull the cylinder, hone it and install new rings. This costs about 500$. I've done it myself There are lots of threads that start with a cylinder that isn't performing as well as it should and quickly spirals from a glazed cylinder or sticky valve to a new cylinder to a complete overhaul. One of my friends went down this path because #4 was running hot and overhauled it to find it still ran hot, it was a new slick magneto. One of two which was replaced because one failed. So one mag was ok but changed any way which precipitated the hot cylinder and the mistaken belief the cam was bad. Don't throw 30 grand at a 500$ problem if your mechanic can't diagnose where oil is coming from and can't either re-ring it or ream the valve guide, find a new mechanic.

Cool - niner three three made the honor role. She has a paint job coming in late spring to sparkle-up the appearance too - top secret design.

Well duh. OR dive it at multiple thousands of FPM and then go uh oh. Who doesn't have a GPS with Direct to nearest selection? If you don't...Get one. Less AMU's than a chute...Even if you are wearing one.

Guy bought a late model SR22 in 08 for less than I paid for my E. If you all want a rocket propelled ballistic chute so bad-buy a used Cirrus. It would be one thing to get it done for a new M20, but to pine for one on our vintage planes is goofy. What do you think this would cost? About what your planes are worth...and pay a lot of AMU's when the re-packing is due. Whatever floats your boat, but again...the option is there. Buy a Cirrus. Not like used Cirrus airframes are scarce...in fact I bet you can get a great deal on a bunch that have the re-pack due. Have fun with that.

Can't he do the wobble test to check for worn guides? Search for lycoming and wobble test. I'm no mechanic, just my 2 cents

I got one! Who the heck broke MooneySpace on Tapatalk?! And don't going blaming any of my women or that I posted too many panel pictures!

In listening to the tape again, he never declared an emergency, nor did he issue a pan, pan. He sounded cool and calm. He asked the controller for vectors. Maybe he did not think the issue was as serious as it was. He reported only that he was losing oil pressure and looking for a place to "go". Drake had a scattered (not broken as was previously stated) layer at 800, but was VFR. ATC cleared him to descend at his discretion to 4000 and then "at or above" 3000 when he was close to 3 miles from the field. At the end of the day, he did what he had to. I don't think he ever notified the controller that he had an engine failure. The combination of vectors and his descent rate apparently put him 3 miles from the airport without enough altitude or airspeed to make it work. He likely came to the realization quite a bit before he pulled and rode it a bit further until faced with the notion that the chute would not be an option for much longer..then pulled. I am not judging him in any way. I am glad he had the BRS option. It would have saved that Bo that had an IMC engine failure up in Connecticut earlier this year. I think there are lots of lessons here. A loss of oil pressure in flight is not a "hmm let's scratch our heads and fart around kind of situation, it's a go direct to the nearest airport ASAP situation... there will be time for head scratching and farting around after the plane is on heading and trimmed for best glide. A loss of oil pressure in flight is in all likelihood going to be an emergency even if it doesn't feel like one when one first discovers the gauge dropping. Might as well make the call now. ATC vectors are great, but the PIC is far better equipped to know what it will take to get the plane safely to the airport and on the ground. I personally would not want vectors to final. I would prefer vectors direct to the airport while I am as high as possible. I would rather deal with excess altitude and airspeed once I'm there rather than try to choreograph the whole process at once and come up short. If I can get to the inner marker/TDZE at 1000ft AGL it matters little what heading I'm on when I arrive, at that altitude I should be able to make any approach regardless of runway heading or wind direction and speed. If a BRS were offered for the Mooney airframe, I would seriously consider the upgrade.

I wonder if he pays 1/2 the normal tie down fee?

Nonetheless, the Cirrus had horrible statistics when they came out but improved dramatically in the last two years or so, in large part because of an intensive pilot training campaign, and that campaign includes pull the chute and pull it early and often. So if that is how Cirrus pilots are being trained, don't fault the pilot, fault the training system. But their training system as a whole is having good effects. But wow - 10,000 ft and 11 miles - a sky diver could make that. Or a flying squirrel. And 195kts decent "best glide" - what did they do - hey my engine quit I think I will nose dive. Was the Walmart CEO solo or was he with a CFI? At least we don't have to worry that the Walmart CEO will be financially distressed by this loss of an aircraft.

Sorry to hear about this. Seriously new rebuilt overhauled or what ever these engines have to be the most overpriced antiquated lumps I have ever heard of.

How is totalling an airplane and injuring passengers a "great job?" I'm not saying he did a bad job, but if he were flying something different or the chute happened to take them some place else, things may not have been so good. I see little from the pilot to commend and mostly from the technology and sheer luck.

I believe it is a conspiracy aimed at discrediting your fine reputation here on MooneySpace. My theory it is the anti-AOA, always land with full flaps, wet wings are better, Mooneys make for a great primary trainer, Garmin is the cat's meow group. [emoji15][emoji56] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Got a brand new (original equipment) McCauley bolted on & test flown today. Smoothness is back!!!!!! YeeHaa! (Plus the white spinner for Gary). I haven't heard anything yet from Hartzell (and may never), but for whatever reason, the Hartell was not smooth. The indexing SB does not apply to my plane & Hartzell says it was correctly indexed, but the old & new McCauley stops as shown in the pic, and the Hartzell stopped at 12/6. Who knows? But after investing more time & money, I'm happy. Thanks for all the input, guys.

Reading this website eats up alotta time too....

A J sits about 3 degrees ANU on the ground. I always see people setting the attitude gyro for level on the ground, then readjusting it after level off. Just set it to +3 and leave it.

A friend of mine with a C205 which has a horribly forward CG used to carry either 5 or 10 gallon (I don't remember which) water jugs in the baggage compartment. His thought was it is more versatile. If you need to fill the plane up with useful load you can empty the water jugs for a leg and fill them up for the next. just another option.

It could be bait, but... The overwhelming response is a positive outlook on all things Mooney and how well they are used... The secondary response is pictures of some amazing mechanical art. The third response is the endless conversation of MooneySpace people... I have a friend in Texas that keeps his Harley project in his bedroom. Small house, no garage... To separate yourself from the 'bait-ers,' it helps to give some real data about yourself and what you are trying to do. Best regards, -a-

I have the Icarus and kfc150. Works great. I have it connected to my 327 transponder in order to provide gear warning at 700 agl, also hooked up to stall switch to annunciation 'stall'. I have not had a problem with the display in the 5 years I've owned. That being said, I'd seriously consider jumping to an Aspen pfd pro. You'll get GPSS and much more.