Buying Mooney, need Mooney hours. SoCal

[jbs007]

Hey everybody,

I'm purchasing a 1966 M20E and I'm pretty excited about!  I've learned a lot from this forum.  I appreciate everyones knowledge here and it seems like the "Mooney community" is pretty tight. 

I currently have zero hours in Mooneys.  I'd like to get 6-10 before picking my aircraft up and flying it back to San Diego.  It will also help bring the cost of insurance down.

If anyone could help me by letting me fly their Mooney with a CFI (or owner) I would greatly appreciate it.  I would pay of course.  The Mooney I'm buying is an M20E with every mod I can think of (windshield, cowling, belly, gap seals, wingtips, instrument panel, stec-30 with alt hold/GPSS, 3-blade prop).  I'd like to fly one pretty similar, but I'll take what I can get.  I live in San Diego so Montgomery field/Palomar/Gillespie would all work. 

I like to know everything about systems, proceedures, and flying the numbers.  Does anyone have recommended books or websites that would give me more technical data on these planes? 

 

Thanks!

[Parker_Woodruff]

The cost of getting those hours will entirely eclipse the extra amount, if any, that you'll pay on insurance. Your insurance co will likely require DUAL received from a CFI in an M20E anyway. So there's really no sense in doing what you say unless you can also log the time as dual received. 

 

Just wait and get that time in your plane. Have a CFI lined up when you pick your bird up. 

[Parker_Woodruff]

Also, most pleasure & business insurance policies do not allow for the renting of the aircraft to others and especially do not allow providing instruction to anyone not named on the policy.  So you'd have to find someone with a conforming insurance policy if they wanted their interests covered.

[Becca]

Quote: jbs007

Hey everybody,

I'm purchasing a 1966 M20E and I'm pretty excited about!  I've learned a lot from this forum.  I appreciate everyones knowledge here and it seems like the "Mooney community" is pretty tight. 

I currently have zero hours in Mooneys.  I'd like to get 6-10 before picking my aircraft up and flying it back to San Diego.  It will also help bring the cost of insurance down.

If anyone could help me by letting me fly their Mooney with a CFI (or owner) I would greatly appreciate it.  I would pay of course.  The Mooney I'm buying is an M20E with every mod I can think of (windshield, cowling, belly, gap seals, wingtips, instrument panel, stec-30 with alt hold/GPSS, 3-blade prop).  I'd like to fly one pretty similar, but I'll take what I can get.  I live in San Diego so Montgomery field/Palomar/Gillespie would all work. 

I like to know everything about systems, proceedures, and flying the numbers.  Does anyone have recommended books or websites that would give me more technical data on these planes? 

 

Thanks!

[Seth]

Congrats on your purchase!  Have a good CFI and as Parker said, learn in your own Mooney!  I'm sure someone in SoCal will want to give you a feel for a Mooney - maybe see when the next VMG or Amasadors event is and show up.

-Seth

[jbs007]

Thanks for the info, Parker

Unfortunately, my plane is far away and I will not have the time to spend a week there getting dual time.  And seeing as I currently have no Mooney time, insurance aside, I'd feel safer having done it before.  I'll take what I can get!

[Cris]

Jared Why not sign up for the MAPA safety foundation PPP http://www.mapasafety.com/ in Chattanooga Tenn June 1-3. which includes a maintenance overview. If you can stay a few days you can follow that up with the full Mooney Maintennce for your A/C in Arkansas on June 9th. total cost is about $1000 but you might be able to negotiate with your insurance company to give you a discount once you complet the course. This is money that is well spent.   

[rob]

Why not bring your CFI along to pick up the new plane. Honestly, I can't think of anything more frightening than setting off on a long cross country in an unfamiliar platform. Or, if you can't do that either, I'd be glad to ferry her to you!

[Parker_Woodruff]

Quote: jbs007

Thanks for the info, Parker

Unfortunately, my plane is far away and I will not have the time to spend a week there getting dual time.  And seeing as I currently have no Mooney time, insurance aside, I'd feel safer having done it before.  I'll take what I can get!

[N601RX]

There is someone on barnstormers advertising mooney transition training in his F model. I think The ground and 8 hrs dual was around $1300 with extra hrs available

[Parker_Woodruff]

Quote: N601RX

There is someone on barnstormers advertising mooney transition training in his F model. I think The ground and 8 hrs dual was around $1300 with extra hrs available

[MooneyMitch]

"M20F typically doesn't equal M20E in insurance terms."

This was not the case in our experience.  I suppose different companies have different requirements.

[OR75]

Insurance usually reffers to the same "Make and Model".

Make = Mooney

Model = M20 series (the M20  series are covered by the same FAA type certificate) 

[Parker_Woodruff]

Quote: OR75

Insurance usually reffers to the same "Make and Model".

Make = Mooney

Model = M20 series (the M20  series are covered by the same FAA type certificate) 

[Antoni Deighton]

Not sure if either of these will help you, but Red Baron aviation in Santa Barbara has a M20C, and DuBois Aviation at Chino has a M20. Both are available for rent, and I think solo, after a checkout.

[Cris]

Parker makes a valid point. It really depends on how much of a stickler the ins. co. wants to be. When I bought my M20S I had a couple of thousand hours of Mooney M20 time in E, F, J, K, and R's but Falcon insisted I needed 5 hrs in the S. There was some arm twisting but I finally got them to understand that the R time would qualify since the M20S I had was essentially an Ovation 3 M20R.  

[jacobwall]

Quote: OR75

Insurance usually reffers to the same "Make and Model".

Make = Mooney

Model = M20 series (the M20  series are covered by the same FAA type certificate) 

[MooneyMitch]

Quote: jacobwall

I didn't know that, that's good to hear. So moving from a C model into something faster once you have 150-200 MM shouldn't be a huge deal on insurance then? I plan on flying the C model as much as possible but one day I'd like to get into something faster for sure but don't want to be screwed by high insurance premiums. 

[Parker_Woodruff]

Quote: jacobwall

[Becca]

Quote: OR75

Insurance usually reffers to the same "Make and Model".

Make = Mooney

Model = M20 series (the M20  series are covered by the same FAA type certificate) 

[gregwatts]

I suggest taking a CFI with you and having him fly back with you. The additional cost is minimal compared to the adventure you are about to embark on.

My first Mooney was a C model. I figure it cost me an extra $800 taking an instructor to pick up the plane in San Antonio, Tx and returning to Ft Laud, Fl. You may take a hit for the first year insurance premium, but it will drop dramatically for the 2nd year. Part of the cost of flying.

 

My opinion only!

[OR75]

brokesr or sellers should recommend a CFI who would help you get all the endorsements and hours you need for insurance.

Like I am sure most here, I am the only one flying my plane and my name in the policy (i.e. I do not lend it). Recurrent training in include in writting in the policy. 

[Immelman]

A point of reference: When I bought my M20E, I had zero M20E time. I had about 5 hrs in an M20C, a couple in ain M20K, and a good amount of complex time (50+/-) in PA28 and C172 series RG aircraft. The insurance (AIG, BTW) requirement was for a one-hour checkout with no mention of what type of experience the checkout CFI had.

A CFI local to the service center that did the pre-buy/annual delivered the airplane to me, we flew home together, and that was that.

To the OP: I am a CFI with 500+ hrs M20E time. I am on the central CA coast. Please send me a PM if you'd like to like to discuss transition training.

[lamont337]

Where is the plane?

[jbs007]

The plane is in Florida and I plan on stopping a lot of places to see people, so having a CFI come with me would be a little weird.

Immmelman, I'll PM you

Insurance aside, for my own comfort, I'd like to have some Mooney time prior to pick up.  I have a about 150 hrs complex but no Mooney.  I might also find a CFI out there to take a flight or two with before starting my journey.

Thanks everyone for the advice!