Skew-t log p diagrams missing

[Fly Boomer]

9 hours ago, MikeOH said:

It's not clear to me if you are FIRST left-clicking on a desired location BEFORE right-clicking.  I have the non-premium (free) version and it works fine for me (iPad with Safari, however).

I tried it on a laptop.  I'll experiment with my iPad.

[Fly Boomer]

9 hours ago, MikeOH said:

Interesting.  Probably because I'm using an iPad...I really don't left or right click, per se; I tap the location and then hold the touch for about 1 second until the menu pops up.

I get the same action on iPad with Safari as laptop with Chrome.  I'm guessing you have installed the app on your iPad?

[midlifeflyer]

13 hours ago, Fly Boomer said:

Doesn't seem to work for me.  I go to windy.com (with Chrome).  It opens a map more or less centered on my location--I assume it's using my IP address to do this.  The mouse icon is a "hand" that I can use to move the map, but nothing happens when I right click.  Do I have to buy a "premium" subscription?

No. You do not have to buy a premium subscription. I don't have one. This is Chrome with pop-up blockers.

[MikeOH]

3 hours ago, Fly Boomer said:

I get the same action on iPad with Safari as laptop with Chrome.  I'm guessing you have installed the app on your iPad?

Hmm, may not be installed. I have Windy as a favorites icon in Safari and launch from that; may just go to the Windy site. On my phone right now so I can’t check

[jlunseth]

Ok. In foreflight you can enter a flight including an altitude. You can then send the flight to Map. In Map, activate Profile and you will see a static but not very detailed graphic of your route, including where and at what altitudes icing is likely. You can also hit the Globe button in the lower left and “fly” the flight which will show where icing is likely. Still works. I didn’t try convection because none would show up this time of year. Lacks the detail of a skew t though, doesn’t show cape and other measures of potential in the atmosphere. Might depend on what level of foreflight you have.

[Scott Dennstaedt, PhD]

The reason the NOAA site was retired was not because of any accessibility issues or even because the agency that manages the site is a research organization and does not want people to rely on it for making decisions. If that were true, they would have shut this site down as well which is the same organization (GSL) that hosted the runsoundings site.  Even this other site does say, "PLEASE NOTE: The information on this website is for RESEARCH PURPOSES ONLY. No data from this site should be used to make decisions related to the safety of life and property. There is no guarantee that data will be updated or that any product will continue to be available."

Recently, I have seen at least five or six other gov't weather sites that I use regularly get shut down as well (for similar reasons). There are definitive plans to shut down even more gov't weather sites as we move into the next administration. The rucsoundings site was simply low-hanging fruit and much easier to be "retired" as they suggest. So I decided to take the opportunity to develop my own Skew-T diagrams that have features that are more robust than you can find on windy or most any other site...that's assuming they don't remove access to the data that I am using to populate the diagram. 

[bigmo]

Scott is this something you plan to offer or just doing for yourself?

I will say that Windy does everything I need. All I’m looking for is data that shows where I’ll likely find between layers - and so far it’s been spot on (actually I’m pretty stunned how accurate the models are). But, I’m always open to better tools.

[dkkim73]

20 minutes ago, bigmo said:

Scott is this something you plan to offer or just doing for yourself?

I will say that Windy does everything I need. All I’m looking for is data that shows where I’ll likely find between layers - and so far it’s been spot on (actually I’m pretty stunned how accurate the models are). But, I’m always open to better tools.

Windy continues to impress me. Just tried the right click/right hold for a simulated sounding (SADAT? You can also then scroll the time slider to see the curves change.

Another great feature is the "meteogram"view that shows a pretty good estimation of the cloud stack (good for figuring out likely ceilings).

Would of course also look forward to anything that Scott builds! 

[Fly Boomer]

43 minutes ago, dkkim73 said:

Another great feature is the "meteogram"view that shows a pretty good estimation of the cloud stack (good for figuring out likely ceilings).

I have grown to love that view.

[PeteMc]

So I just discovered there is a Windy.app and a Windy.com Website.  

My Android App User Name & PW work in the Windy.app site.  So now I'm curious about the other one. 

 

[dkkim73]

1 hour ago, PeteMc said:

So I just discovered there is a Windy.app and a Windy.com Website.  

My Android App User Name & PW work in the Windy.app site.  So now I'm curious about the other one. 

 

I've found I can login across devices and the web, very handy and the apps seem equally good on iOS and Android. 

I paid for the year subscription that gives you finer grained views (temporally). Well worth it so far, among the best bang for buck I've spent in aviation recently. 

[MikeOH]

4 hours ago, Fly Boomer said:

I have grown to love that view.

How do I get the meteogram view?

[PeteMc]

5 hours ago, dkkim73 said:

I've found I can login across devices and the web, very handy and the apps seem equally good on iOS and Android.

Yes, I can log in to my Android App or to Windy.app on my computer.  But Windy.com appears to be a different Website/Company. 

Not that there aren't multiple Wx Websites.  But I did not know there were two separate "Windy" Websites. 

 

[midlifeflyer]

11 hours ago, PeteMc said:

Yes, I can log in to my Android App or to Windy.app on my computer.  But Windy.com appears to be a different Website/Company. 

Not that there aren't multiple Wx Websites.  But I did not know there were two separate "Windy" Websites. 

 

You have the wrong app. There are two similar sounding sounding apps in the Google play store. "Windy.com" is the one which deals with the Windy pilots talk about. "Windy.app" is intended for water and wind sports like sailing, surfing, and fishing. Whether the two developers are related in any way I have no clue.

[PeteMc]

1 hour ago, midlifeflyer said:

"Windy.com" is the one which deals with the Windy pilots talk about.

Thanks!

I guess that's why I was not as excited about it as others seemed to be and didn't use it much. 

 

Edited December 7 by PeteMc

[Fly Boomer]

15 hours ago, MikeOH said:

How do I get the meteogram view?

I didn't go back to read previous posts again, but first, the app is called "WeatherMap+" -- the "plus" is important because without it, you get a bunch of other things when you search.  On my iPad, the meteogram view is the default when you open the app.  If not, you get there by tapping the icon that looks like 3 layers, and that's exactly what is shown on that view--cloud cover, temperature, and wind speed.  There is also an icon for each of those views individually if the combined view is too busy.  At the top is a bar showing day of the week and time.  The times are every 3 hours--3,6,9,12,15,18 etc.  It's not the only thing I look at, but it has become the first thing I look at.

[Scott Dennstaedt, PhD]

On 12/6/2024 at 6:43 PM, bigmo said:

Scott is this something you plan to offer or just doing for yourself?

I will say that Windy does everything I need. All I’m looking for is data that shows where I’ll likely find between layers - and so far it’s been spot on (actually I’m pretty stunned how accurate the models are). But, I’m always open to better tools.

I developed a rudimentary sounding about six years ago. I do a lot of litigation support and weather forensics for wrongful death law suits and needed a way to build soundings from archived model forecasts. 

So, I am pulling this into my app and adding a few features that you won't find anywhere else.  I am not a fan of Windy. They have everything based on single models and that's just not the right approach in my opinion. My app blends multiple models and provides a much more consistent forecast. Also, their Skew-T (last time I looked at it) doesn't show the various indices that I normally use.  They also only provide the surface-based parcel and don't give you any info about the most unstable or mixed layer parcel. 

[exM20K]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:26 AM, jlunseth said:

Ok. In foreflight you can enter a flight including an altitude. You can then send the flight to Map. In Map, activate Profile and you will see a static but not very detailed graphic of your route, including where and at what altitudes icing is likely. You can also hit the Globe button in the lower left and “fly” the flight which will show where icing is likely. Still works. I didn’t try convection because none would show up this time of year. Lacks the detail of a skew t though, doesn’t show cape and other measures of potential in the atmosphere. Might depend on what level of foreflight you have.

And if you want to go farther out than ForeFlight plots, just select “icing” in windy, pick your altitude, and make sure you’re showing euro or gfs model output. Icing forecasts out beyond six hours are really better suited for entertainment than ADM, IMHO. Sort of like AccuWeather making daily forecasts out 8 or more weeks.

@Scott Dennstaedt, PhD criticism of windy’s depiction of single models only is noted. Much like the various hurricane models, which I pay a bit of attention to as a gulf coast FL resident. You can always find one or more that prog destruction (especially GFS, which this year was rather excitable.)  

-dan

 

[Will.iam]

13 hours ago, Fly Boomer said:

I didn't go back to read previous posts again, but first, the app is called "WeatherMap+" -- the "plus" is important because without it, you get a bunch of other things when you search.  On my iPad, the meteogram view is the default when you open the app.  If not, you get there by tapping the icon that looks like 3 layers, and that's exactly what is shown on that view--cloud cover, temperature, and wind speed.  There is also an icon for each of those views individually if the combined view is too busy.  At the top is a bar showing day of the week and time.  The times are every 3 hours--3,6,9,12,15,18 etc.  It's not the only thing I look at, but it has become the first thing I look at.

I use weathermap+ for years! Love that it was a ONE TIME PURCHASE and doesn’t milk you dry with monthly subscription fees. Another app i like is weatherspork it’s weather for skew-t dummies as it will show cloud layers and freezing layer visually per  altitude along your route and project it 3 days out. Unfortunately it does have a monthly fee though.  You do get a 2 week free trial so there is that. 

[Scott Dennstaedt, PhD]

4 hours ago, Will.iam said:

I like is weatherspork it’s weather for skew-t dummies as it will show cloud layers and freezing layer visually per altitude along your route and project it 3 days out. Unfortunately it does have a monthly fee though.  You do get a 2 week free trial so there is that. 

Just be very careful here. WS is scientifically invalid especially as it relates to clouds. It uses a very rudimentary RH scheme for clouds using the GFS model which is not a convective-allowing model.  In my app I used a concept called cloud fractions that does extremely well by blending together multiple forecast models (that are convective-allowing) to produce the vertical route profile that is scientifically valid.