Dynon autopilot approval!

[Yetti]

On 10/4/2024 at 5:48 PM, McMooney said:

one thing, i studied the diagrams a bit, wiring on the dynon is amazing, basically it's all connected via 9 pin dsubs and a few extras.

I'd be comfortable letting my ap install it.  I'd be real tempted if the ap worked in an E

I looked at the bracket installation for the servos.  They put the brackets for roll in the wing.   Yes it would work in an E with corrugated control surfaces.  The kind of funny thing is the STC is both for the EFIS and the Autopilot.   The AP software is installed in units when they ship.  The documentation would be slightly not in compliance.   The FAA has a whole section on A/P documentation.

[EricJ]

5 hours ago, Fly Boomer said:

Pretty sure King autopilots had auto-trim several decades ago.

My Century III that was factory installed in my airplane in 1977 had auto-trim.   

[teethdoc]

Will the dynon sky view hdx work with and even better add gpss steering to the KAP-150 so I could do it in phases?  I k ow the g275 will.

[teethdoc]

Will the dynon sky view hdx work with and even better add gpss steering to the KAP-150 so I could do it in phases?  I k ow the g275 will.

[teethdoc]

Will the dynon sky view hdx work with and even better add gpss steering to the KAP-150 so I could do it in phases?  I k ow the g275 will.

[Will.iam]

5 hours ago, teethdoc said:

Will the dynon sky view hdx work with and even better add gpss steering to the KAP-150 so I could do it in phases?  I k ow the g275 will.

No

[Will.iam]

5 hours ago, teethdoc said:

Will the dynon sky view hdx work with and even better add gpss steering to the KAP-150 so I could do it in phases?  I k ow the g275 will.

No

[Will.iam]

5 hours ago, teethdoc said:

Will the dynon sky view hdx work with and even better add gpss steering to the KAP-150 so I could do it in phases?  I k ow the g275 will.

No

[Will.iam]

8 hours ago, Yetti said:

There are two extra inputs for thermocouple you can just use those.   Then add them to the engine monitor screen.  Part of the EMS.   Probably can use existing wiring.   I used an $8 thermocouple to monitor the temperature behind the panel.

But will that be primary? I would think they would have to list it to be primary. 

[KSMooniac]

I’m sure this is a dumb question but will a garmin G5 drive this autopilot?  IE do you have to put in everything Dynon to use this autopilot?

No, you'll need the Skyview system including their own backup instrument per the STC. A G5 will do nothing for you with this system, except provide another backup for attitude only, not A/P input.

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[Max Clark]

On 10/5/2024 at 4:12 AM, ArtVandelay said:

The Garmin salesman was confused. I PAID 30 for G3X, AV20S and 3 servo GFC500 which included redoing the entire panel including circuit breakers, switches, etc.
This was a couple of years ago so it would be higher now. But these offhand quotes are useless, so are estimates posted on the internet. You need to have a dealer look at your plane and panel and give you a written estimate, for either D or G.
Talk is cheap (or expensive), get a written estimate, that’s the only way you will know.

G3x w/ EIS $30k installed

GFC 500 3 Servo $20k installed

Multiple quotes last month FWIW

[Max Clark]

On 10/4/2024 at 12:15 PM, Schllc said:

https://www.dynoncertified.com/mooney-m20j-autopilot.php

Great news! More options are a good thing. The Dynon HDX + Avidyne IFD is a good combo (buddy has it in his RV-10). Hopefully we see this for long bodies in the near future.

[ArtVandelay]

G3x w/ EIS $30k installed
GFC 500 3 Servo $20k installed
Multiple quotes last month FWIW

How many hours of labor? 200?

[67 m20F chump]

9 hours ago, KSMooniac said:

No, you'll need the Skyview system including their own backup instrument per the STC. A G5 will do nothing for you with this system, except provide another backup for attitude only, not A/P input.

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And just like that the garmin autopilot became the affordable option!  Bonus it’s already stc’d for my plane.

[PeterRus]

9 hours ago, Max Clark said:

Great news! More options are a good thing. The Dynon HDX + Avidyne IFD is a good combo (buddy has it in his RV-10). Hopefully we see this for long bodies in the near future.

What's not clear to me, does Dynon have any GPS? Or does it require a separate GPS unit, like Avidyne?

[Paul Thomas]

12 minutes ago, PeterRus said:

What's not clear to me, does Dynon have any GPS? Or does it require a separate GPS unit, like Avidyne?

It has a GPS, but it's not certified for IFR.

[LANCECASPER]

5 hours ago, PeterRus said:

What's not clear to me, does Dynon have any GPS? Or does it require a separate GPS unit, like Avidyne?

You'll need a WAAS GPS (Garmin 430W, 530W, GTN750, 650; Avidyne IFD440, 540, 550 - those all have coms and navs as well)

[ArtVandelay]

It has a GPS, but it's not certified for IFR.

Just like G3X.

[AJ88V]

I've never had an autopilot, and the new Dynon autopilot ain't approved for my homely little C model anyway, so please bear with my ignorance....

If you're installing the Dynon Skyview system and you need to install an IFR-cert GPS from another manufacturer, why can't you install one of multiple Garmin units and drive another autopilot (say an Aerocruz) with that?  Is there no way to drive the autopilot, or is it that this becomes a Frankenstein system that is a PITA instead of a fully integrated system from all Garmin.  Thanks.

 

[PT20J]

1 hour ago, AJ88V said:

I've never had an autopilot, and the new Dynon autopilot ain't approved for my homely little C model anyway, so please bear with my ignorance....

If you're installing the Dynon Skyview system and you need to install an IFR-cert GPS from another manufacturer, why can't you install one of multiple Garmin units and drive another autopilot (say an Aerocruz) with that?  Is there no way to drive the autopilot, or is it that this becomes a Frankenstein system that is a PITA instead of a fully integrated system from all Garmin.  Thanks.

 

Garmin has a myriad of solutions. Not everything works with everything. The GFC 500, G3X and G5 were designed to work together as a system. The GFC 500 autopilot software is in the PFD. The software was added to the GI 275 so it will work with a GFC 500 also. The G3X and G5 PFDs were not designed to drive legacy autopilots. The GI 275 is unique in that it will work with legacy autopilots and the GFC 500 as well. If you want to retain a lot of legacy equipment including autopilots and want a large screen, the G500TXi is the best solution.

My advice is to always decide first what autopilot you want and then go from there to build out a panel. The autopilot is the keystone.

[EricJ]

2 hours ago, AJ88V said:

I've never had an autopilot, and the new Dynon autopilot ain't approved for my homely little C model anyway, so please bear with my ignorance....

If you're installing the Dynon Skyview system and you need to install an IFR-cert GPS from another manufacturer, why can't you install one of multiple Garmin units and drive another autopilot (say an Aerocruz) with that?  Is there no way to drive the autopilot, or is it that this becomes a Frankenstein system that is a PITA instead of a fully integrated system from all Garmin.  Thanks.

You can do exactly that if you want to.

I have two G5s and an IFD500, and have an Aerocruz on order.    There are lots of mix-and-match opportunities, but some systems have some restrictions due to how they were certified.   The STC for each shows the restrictions for each.

 

[Max Clark]

22 hours ago, PeterRus said:

What's not clear to me, does Dynon have any GPS? Or does it require a separate GPS unit, like Avidyne?

It's not certified as an IFR navigator just like the G3x. You'll have to have an external NAV/COM most common is the Avidyne IFD.

[Pinecone]

Just realize that when you mix and match, you have the possibility of things not playing nice.

That is one reason I went all Garmin.  Garmin can only point fingers at themselves.

 

[PT20J]

2 hours ago, Pinecone said:

That is one reason I went all Garmin.  Garmin can only point fingers at themselves.

Which, in my experience, they do fairly often

They finally published alternate GFC 500 gain settings for the J an K after years of complaints about pitch oscillations.

It took a couple of years to fix the G5 battery killer drain problem.

It took a few years and several tries to get the GSA 28 servos reliable.

My G3X fails to show some TFRs shown on the GTN Xi although both get their data from the same GTX 345. I have sent several examples to Garmin and I’m told that engineering is looking into it - for months.

Two takeaways:

1. New products often have issues and being an early adopter can be painful.

2. Garmin does have a pretty good record of (eventually) fixing their mistakes on their nickel.

[Pinecone]

Not owning a problem is not the same thing as finger pointing.

But yes, Garmin is not immune from issues.

But then factor in a non-Garmin device and that allows them to totally ignore an issue as not their problem,