Anyone near KSAF

[Brooklynkid]

Hi everyone,

relatively new pilot with 160 hrs, hoping to tag along on a Mooney flight to get an idea how they feel and fly.  Hopefully in the near future  I’ll be debating which to buy a 182 vs Mooney .  I’m based in New Mexico KSAF , but willing to drive  near by as well.  Thanks in advance !

KC

[toto]

Hi KC -

Welcome to MooneySpace

This forum is based in Santa Fe, so hopefully you’ll find a good connection.

We have quite a few members in and around the area.  

[Brooklynkid]

On 11/20/2023 at 9:55 AM, toto said:

Hi KC -

Welcome to MooneySpace

This forum is based in Santa Fe, so hopefully you’ll find a good connection.

We have quite a few members in and around the area.  

Hi Toto

Thanks for reply!  Wow I didn’t know the forum was based here in Santa Fe .  Hopefully someone locally will offer me a ride !   Of course happy to split fuel!

kc

[mooniac58]

44 minutes ago, Brooklynkid said:

Hi Toto

Thanks for reply!  Wow I didn’t know the forum was based here in Santa Fe .  Hopefully someone locally will offer me a ride !   Of course happy to split fuel!

kc

Hi KC!

Yeah I actually live here in Santa Fe, for the last 13 years at least.  Unfortunately I no longer own a Mooney or any airplane for that matter 

I wish I knew a Mooney owner here as I would try to connect you.  I never really go out to the airport anymore to know who is around these days.

If I happen to bump into anyone around here with a Mooney I will let you know though!

Craig

[Smiles201]

Could have helped you out twenty years ago, had a j model based in Los Alamos. 182 is bigger inside,  slower. Burns more fuel. Carries more of a load, better view for passengers,.I like the feeling of sitting on the wing versus hanging under it. Mooneys are more exciting to look at. I'm prejudiced. The southwest is the best place for flying.  Go to Sedona or grand canyon for the day, or up to Pagosa springs.

Miles

[Brooklynkid]

On 11/21/2023 at 7:52 PM, mooniac58 said:

Hi KC!

Yeah I actually live here in Santa Fe, for the last 13 years at least.  Unfortunately I no longer own a Mooney or any airplane for that matter 

I wish I knew a Mooney owner here as I would try to connect you.  I never really go out to the airport anymore to know who is around these days.

If I happen to bump into anyone around here with a Mooney I will let you know though!

Craig

Thx Craig,

Ive found the local aviation community very nice and willing to help .  Appreciate any connections 

Kc 

[Brooklynkid]

On 11/21/2023 at 11:08 PM, Smiles201 said:

Could have helped you out twenty years ago, had a j model based in Los Alamos. 182 is bigger inside,  slower. Burns more fuel. Carries more of a load, better view for passengers,.I like the feeling of sitting on the wing versus hanging under it. Mooneys are more exciting to look at. I'm prejudiced. The southwest is the best place for flying.  Go to Sedona or grand canyon for the day, or up to Pagosa springs.

Miles

Hi Miles 

yea the mission is to be able to fly family  (2 passengers and myself )3-5 hr trips .  Scottsdale , Moab and salida  are all within reach !

[mooniac58]

On 11/23/2023 at 3:58 PM, Brooklynkid said:

Hi Miles 

yea the mission is to be able to fly family  (2 passengers and myself )3-5 hr trips .  Scottsdale , Moab and salida  are all within reach !

Given that I would go Mooney.  The C182 has great useful load but if you are only flying 3 people you should be just fine in a Mooney with w&b.  I would make sure you get one with a turbo though because of the altitudes and high summer temps out here.  There are summer days where the density altitude in KSAF is 10,000+.

A Cessna 182 is like a good reliable station wagon and the Mooney is more like a Ferrari   

[0TreeLemur]

On 11/20/2023 at 8:23 AM, Brooklynkid said:

relatively new pilot with 160 hrs,

Good discussions here on MS regarding flight time requirements to obtain reasonable rates to insure a Mooney.   Suggest you search and read up on those so you can take that into consideration as well.   You can search MS using google "insurance site:mooneyspace.com".

[Brooklynkid]

On 11/26/2023 at 3:26 PM, 0TreeLemur said:

Good discussions here on MS regarding flight time requirements to obtain reasonable rates to insure a Mooney.   Suggest you search and read up on those so you can take that into consideration as well.   You can search MS using google "insurance site:mooneyspace.com".

Yes I suspect nothing in this hobby is gonna be cheap 

[0TreeLemur]

13 minutes ago, Brooklynkid said:

Yes I suspect nothing in this hobby is gonna be cheap 

I guess I wasn't clear.  Insurance rates for folks with 500 hours retract time and 100 hours in type are $2k-$3k/y.   Less than that, double or triple it.

[Brooklynkid]

On 11/30/2023 at 3:59 PM, 0TreeLemur said:

I guess I wasn't clear.  Insurance rates for folks with 500 hours retract time and 100 hours in type are $2k-$3k/y.   Less than that, double or triple it.

Got ya.  That is steep price for insurance and noted !

thank you !

kc

[toto]

1 hour ago, Brooklynkid said:

Got ya.  That is steep price for insurance and noted !

thank you !

kc

This is also significantly influenced by hull value and sub limits. If you have a relatively inexpensive airplane and a $1M/100k policy, it could be more reasonable. Definitely want to shop around before you sign on the dotted line.

If you start actively looking to purchase and you find a plane you like, reach out to @Parker_Woodruff for a quote. 

[Brooklynkid]

On 12/2/2023 at 10:06 AM, toto said:

This is also significantly influenced by hull value and sub limits. If you have a relatively inexpensive airplane and a $1M/100k policy, it could be more reasonable. Definitely want to shop around before you sign on the dotted line.

If you start actively looking to purchase and you find a plane you like, reach out to @Parker_Woodruff for a quote. 

Thank you for contact !!!

[Pinecone]

On 11/24/2023 at 8:49 PM, mooniac58 said:

Given that I would go Mooney.  The C182 has great useful load but if you are only flying 3 people you should be just fine in a Mooney with w&b.  I would make sure you get one with a turbo though because of the altitudes and high summer temps out here.  There are summer days where the density altitude in KSAF is 10,000+.

A Cessna 182 is like a good reliable station wagon and the Mooney is more like a Ferrari   

I fly C-182s with CAP and the useful loads are not that much higher.  And they burn more fuel for less speed, so you eat up the UL with carrying more fuel.

[Brooklynkid]

On 12/5/2023 at 6:27 AM, Pinecone said:

I fly C-182s with CAP and the useful loads are not that much higher.  And they burn more fuel for less speed, so you eat up the UL with carrying more fuel.

Yep nothing seems to come close to the Mooney speed and efficiency.   Just wondering if the math of those are big enough to offset the insurance premium of Mooney vs Cessna 182 ownership 

[Schllc]

On 11/30/2023 at 5:59 PM, 0TreeLemur said:

I guess I wasn't clear.  Insurance rates for folks with 500 hours retract time and 100 hours in type are $2k-$3k/y.   Less than that, double or triple it.

The majority of insurance is the hull value. 
I am 53 years old, I have 700 hours in an acclaim, over 1000 in mooney’s and I am IFR,  my insurance is just under $5k.  I think about $600 of that is liability, the rest is hull. 

[wombat]

2 hours ago, Brooklynkid said:

Yep nothing seems to come close to the Mooney speed and efficiency.   Just wondering if the math of those are big enough to offset the insurance premium of Mooney vs Cessna 182 ownership 

Why make it an either/or situation?   Why not both?

[Jetpilot86]

3 hours ago, Brooklynkid said:

Yep nothing seems to come close to the Mooney speed and efficiency.   Just wondering if the math of those are big enough to offset the insurance premium of Mooney vs Cessna 182 ownership 

Especially as a low timer, I’d probably look at a 252 vs a Bravo, or 231 as a first turbo. The 231 has a manual wastegate so you have to keep a closer eye on it vs the 252, and the Bravo is a more finicky thoroughbred to manage. I have a Bravo and am learning this in real time, but she sure sounds sweet when I crank her up. 

[Pinecone]

16 hours ago, Brooklynkid said:

Yep nothing seems to come close to the Mooney speed and efficiency.   Just wondering if the math of those are big enough to offset the insurance premium of Mooney vs Cessna 182 ownership 

Hmm, if I fly XC 100 hours in a year, that is 17,500 miles.  At 10.1 GPH that is 1010 gallons or about $6060 in just fuel cost.

C-182 would be more like 135 knots on 16 GPH, so 130 hours, or 2080 gallons, so $12,480 in fuel cost.

That should cover the insurance difference. 

And there are less oil changes due to faster cruise, and other variable costs, like ADs that are hour based.

[Fly Boomer]

10 hours ago, Pinecone said:

Hmm, if I fly XC 100 hours in a year, that is 17,500 miles.  At 10.1 GPH that is 1010 gallons or about $6060 in just fuel cost.

C-182 would be more like 135 knots on 16 GPH, so 130 hours, or 2080 gallons, so $12,480 in fuel cost.

That should cover the insurance difference. 

And there are less oil changes due to faster cruise, and other variable costs, like ADs that are hour based.

I love cocktail napkin "proofs" like this.  Very compelling.  I'm stealing this.

PS:  a "proof" is a mathematical term -- similar, but not the same as ordinary parlance

[Brooklynkid]

On 12/11/2023 at 4:08 PM, wombat said:

Why make it an either/or situation?   Why not both?

I can only wish!

[Rotorhead]

On 11/20/2023 at 7:23 AM, Brooklynkid said:

Hi everyone,

relatively new pilot with 160 hrs, hoping to tag along on a Mooney flight to get an idea how they feel and fly.  Hopefully in the near future  I’ll be debating which to buy a 182 vs Mooney .  I’m based in New Mexico KSAF , but willing to drive  near by as well.  Thanks in advance !

KC

@Brooklynkid

You could be in luck...kinda. I'm a Mooney CFI down at Albuquerque that owns a 81 J. Only thing is, another pilot geared up my Mooney in Taos so it's sitting up there and obviously not airworthy. I do have access to a turbo F...thats also down for mx. It's getting a complete avionics overhaul so maybe a few more months till it's done.

Totally up for chatting and helping out where I can in the meantime.

Hope you've been enjoying the snow up there!

-KC

[PWL]

Just missed seeing your post, but I live in Los Alamos and fly an '84 201.  I would be happy to pick you up in SAF sometime and give you a ride if you haven't already found someone else. PWL

[bcg]

A 182 left about 20 minutes before me this afternoon heading in the same direction. 30 minutes into my flight, I overtook him in my C. I probably burned less fuel than him also. Just sayin....

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