1986 Mooney 252 w/Encore Mods N97NM

[N201MKTurbo]

3 hours ago, Pinecone said:

How would you container ship a Mooney????
 

Cessna and Piper you can remove the wings

You have to remove the wing or the tail. I hear it’s easier to remove the tail.

[Pinecone]

I have heard of removing the tail just behind the wings, but wondering if that is short enough to fit in a container.  Interior width dimension is only 7.5 feet.

You might squeeze it in with the prop and spinner off.  Anyone have a plane and tape measure handy?????

Actually, I will be visiting mine tomorrow, so I will try to measure and see.  Just curious.

[Schllc]

I’m betting that a ferry flight would be cheaper in the long run. 

[xcrmckenna]

I’m betting that a ferry flight would be cheaper in the long run. 

Yeah I would love to fly that thing back to the states vs have it shipped.

That might actually be a good choice for the seller to do that anyways. Think they would have better luck selling it here with an N registration and a very capable plane.


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[carusoam]

…

disassembly of a Mooney for flat bed hauling is done via removing the tail cone and firewall forward….

Our local  MSC does this as needed… usually a recovery process…

In the event of landing in a field…. I keep a business card with their number on it…

 

Select your favorite mechanic before going down this road…

His signature is going to be important to the ongoing future value of the machine….

 

oddly, having an N-numbered plane in Europe has its advantages… 

Speed and efficiency is preferred world wide…  

 

PP thoughts only, not a mechanic…

 

Best regards,

-a-

[Z W]

If I remember correctly, a 252 easily has the legs to cross the Atlantic on the north side with stops in Iceland and Canada.  I think I'd do that (or pay someone to do that) before I let anyone start drilling rivets to remove the tail on a perfectly good plane and put it in a container.

[William_Flood]

Whatever the buyer wants we will do it. We have had situations where buyers with no experience have contacted the insurance companies for ferry quotes having no previous North Atlantic experience. The result is that the aircraft is locked in with all the brokers at $15k plus for ferry flight insurance. Ferry flights are best left to people who do ferry flights every day. If the insurance and the ferry costs far more than dismantling the aircraft, and the aircraft may need to go worldwide not just the US/Canada - then we can price dismantling the aircraft as per the MM procedures.

[lushka]

Hi everyone , take great caution with this broker 

I purchased a mooney m20J registered as FHVAL in EU, Ireland , 2 years ago 

broker : William Flood ; seller : Robert O Connor ; out of annual from Troughton engeneeiring maintenance PART145 (TEM: Keith Troughton) ; the ARC was signed by Nigel James (part66) and he also assisted me during pre buy 

A year after aircraft was grounded due to sévère corrosion , everywhere , on the tubular structure. After a year trying everything , wing was pulled down and spars are also badly damaged . 
acft goes as spare 

i encourage everyone to take great care with these propos and organisation , mainly for your safety but also for your money 

you can have a look on Instagram and Facebook of what its look like : @what_is_general_aviation

https://www.facebook.com/valentin.bfr

be aware that neither the broker, the part145 workshop nor mr James do not feel concerned and do not offer any help

[William_Flood]

Just to clarify –

Valentin bought this Mooney in 2022 from our brokerage customer. We offered you and your mechanic all the assistance they would need with compressed air, jacks, oil, oil filter along with scanned copies of any requested logs. We arranged a thorough demonstration flight and systems check for you to your satisfaction.

After your chosen EASA Part 66 engineer had completed his survey you made an offer in which you said “Considering the above points, some of which require substantial work, in particular the leakage of the tanks, the other work to be done in the near future (pneumatics, corrosion, antenna), the need to already plan a revision, as well as the need for a minimum of updating of the avionics, and the risk to consider about the engine I would like to make you a purchase offer of 112000 euros”. The owner of the aircraft applied a discount of €25,000 to the aircraft given the items you uncovered at the pre purchase inspection.

When you purchased the aircraft you, sent us photos of the aircraft in maintenance with the entire interior removed. Only last week did we hear of your concerns, and demands from payment with threats of what you would post on social media if we did not meet your demands. You seem to be happy with a harmless shakedown, and a reputational assassination rather than our help and discussion, which you have declined.

In case you have not noticed, there is an advanced regulatory system for Aviation in Europe. The airworthiness of aircraft is determined by the certifying staff of highly regulated maintenance organisations who are subject to the highest scrutiny. This aircraft was released to service and certified as airworthy by a part 145 maintenance organisation, and as such the responsibility does not lie with the seller or their agent. The seller of the aircraft will not be paying for these items a second time.

Hope that clears it up for you Valentin, and anyone else interested in the matter.

  

[ZuluZulu]

20 hours ago, William_Flood said:

Just to clarify –

Valentin bought this Mooney in 2022 from our brokerage customer. We offered you and your mechanic all the assistance they would need with compressed air, jacks, oil, oil filter along with scanned copies of any requested logs. We arranged a thorough demonstration flight and systems check for you to your satisfaction.

After your chosen EASA Part 66 engineer had completed his survey you made an offer in which you said “Considering the above points, some of which require substantial work, in particular the leakage of the tanks, the other work to be done in the near future (pneumatics, corrosion, antenna), the need to already plan a revision, as well as the need for a minimum of updating of the avionics, and the risk to consider about the engine I would like to make you a purchase offer of 112000 euros”. The owner of the aircraft applied a discount of €25,000 to the aircraft given the items you uncovered at the pre purchase inspection.

When you purchased the aircraft you, sent us photos of the aircraft in maintenance with the entire interior removed. Only last week did we hear of your concerns, and demands from payment with threats of what you would post on social media if we did not meet your demands. You seem to be happy with a harmless shakedown, and a reputational assassination rather than our help and discussion, which you have declined.

In case you have not noticed, there is an advanced regulatory system for Aviation in Europe. The airworthiness of aircraft is determined by the certifying staff of highly regulated maintenance organisations who are subject to the highest scrutiny. This aircraft was released to service and certified as airworthy by a part 145 maintenance organisation, and as such the responsibility does not lie with the seller or their agent. The seller of the aircraft will not be paying for these items a second time.

Hope that clears it up for you Valentin, and anyone else interested in the matter.

  

What corrosion was discovered during the survey ("the other work to be done in the near future (pneumatics, corrosion, antenna)...")?  

[William_Flood]

We just reduced the asking price of this M20K Encore. Even accounting for repositioning the aircraft anywhere in the World it is still the lowest priced example with:

- TKS FIKI

- Encore Mods

- Sub 100hrs on the Engine

N97NM is now reduced to $169,950 USD

[C.J.]

On 10/6/2023 at 9:53 AM, William_Flood said:

1986 Mooney 252 w/Encore Mods

SN 251047

Price $210,000

N97NM will instantly stand out to the enthusiast,

The 1986 airframe has 4302hrs TTAF, and the engine has 79hrs SMOH in June 2017. 

 

 

 

So, an average of just over eleven hours per year for the last 7 years and 3 months.

Asking price history - October 6, 2023  $210,000, on January 31, 2024  $191,000 and today it's $169,950

[BlueSky247]

OP, just a little advice since you've been trying to sell this one for a year now. Those price drops are getting serious.

 

I'd recommend getting an MSC or reputable independent to do a complete pre-buy on the aircraft, and get as many pics during that process as possible. (Ideally showing that there is no corrosion or fuel leaks, etc.) Share a copy of that pre-buy report here along with link to those pics here along with scans of the logbooks and you'll get more interest.

 

GLWS!

[N177MC]

If anyone is interested in this Mooney, I know it very well.  I have flown it, hangared it for a couple of years and performed an Annual Inspection on it a couple of years back.  Feel free to PM for details or could arrange to perform a Pre-Buy since I am just an hour flight away.

[Slick Nick]

This aircraft was previously registered C-FUNE and spent most of its early life in Toronto, Canada.

[Pinecone]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:48 AM, Slick Nick said:

This aircraft was previously registered C-FUNE and spent most of its early life in Toronto, Canada.

I was wondering why it did not have a 252 N-number.  My plane is 10 later.

[Falcon Man]

Beagles takes wings off fuselage to transport a Mooney for repair.

[Danny]

This seems like a great deal for somebody. Go have the prepurchase done, complete the sale and enjoy a month long shakedown vacation in Europe. You could fly to all the major capitals, enjoy real food and coffee, airlline your spouse home, put on a poopie suit and fly your new airplane home. No long range tanks required.

Any proficient IFR pilot can cross the NAT. 20-30 hours behind the motor in Europe should address the risk management aspect of things. You'd probably have to rent an HF. You can legally fly the Blue Spruce routings without one, but you don't want to not be able to communicate in the event of an abnormal or emergency.

[MatthiasArnold]

http://www.n97nm.com/2017/08/crossing-atlantic.html

This is the story about its Atlantic crossing some years ago. 
When I was searching for „my“ Mooney in 2020 I took a brief look at it (from remote). At this time it was still owned by the gentleman who brought it to Europe. During this time the aircraft did sit close to Barcelona for quite a time (waiting for a new owner) and himself close to Amsterdam (or the other way around). As far as I recall it was offered for sale more than once during the last couple of years.