Tail tie down ring

[FastTex]

Does anyone use a winch to pull the Mooney in the hangar? My new hangar has a slope which makes harder to push. I have a tug I made out of a riding mower but I also have all the equipment to install a winch. I have seen other people pulling their aircraft using this method and it seems easier.

My concern is about the strength of the ring. 

Thanks.

[ArtVandelay]

Don’t know slope severity, but I ballpark 200lbs minimum for level ground as I figure I’m not pushing more than that.
I have a 5/16” line with same size block and tackle (4x) I used to use to get it up and over the hump, now I just give it a little running start.
Make sure you can control the winch….maybe an emergency shut off switch just in case.

[FastTex]

3 minutes ago, ArtVandelay said:

Don’t know slope severity, but I ballpark 200lbs minimum for level ground as I figure I’m not pushing more than that.
I have a 5/16” line with same size block and tackle (4x) I used to use to get it up and over the hump, now I just give it a little running start.
Make sure you can control the winch….maybe an emergency shut off switch just in case.

I have a winch with a remote so I should be able to stop immediately if needed. I'm concerned about the ring snapping on me. The winch is rated 2500lbs and I will anchor it on the concrete floor. 

[ArtVandelay]

I have a winch with a remote so I should be able to stop immediately if needed. I'm concerned about the ring snapping on me. The winch is rated 2500lbs and I will anchor it on the concrete floor. 

Is that remote wireless? Does it run on batteries?

[FastTex]

1 minute ago, ArtVandelay said:

Is that remote wireless? Does it run on batteries?

Yes, the remote is wireless with two buttons: push or pull.

[ArtVandelay]

Yes, the remote is wireless with two buttons: push or pull.

And if Murphey shows itself and your batteries die after you started it, will it stop itself?

[FastTex]

1 minute ago, ArtVandelay said:

And if Murphey shows itself and your batteries die after you started it, will it stop itself?

Yes, it will stop.

[carusoam]

The tie down ring is a steel loop…

 

they are often bent, and ground off…

The ring itself probably won’t fail… until after it destroys something more important…

The challenge with the electric winches… they are on/off…. But don’t supply a way to smoothly start pulling…

The remote is nice… it helps have your eyes in the right place….  But, the steering mechanism has you at the nose wheel…

a small winch designed for quads is enough power to pull a Mooney up a small slope and over a hangar lip… where a single person runs out of power…

PP thoughts only, not a mechanic…

Best regards,

-a-

[PT20J]

Just don't jerk it.

[mike_elliott]

21 minutes ago, PT20J said:

Just don't jerk it.

..ahhh....nevermind...

[M20F-1968]

Probably not a good idea.....

The tail tie-down is not designed for that purpose.  You might get away with it, but the tail tie-down is designed to accommodate vertical loads, not the horizontal load of pulling the airplane.  When you are venturing away from the world of that which is known and tested, you take your chances.

John Breda

[ArtVandelay]

Probably not a good idea.....
The tail tie-down is not designed for that purpose.  You might get away with it, but the tail tie-down is designed to accommodate vertical loads, not the horizontal load of pulling the airplane.  When you are venturing away from the world of that which is known and tested, you take your chances.
John Breda

Most tie downs I run into the tail tie down if well behind resulting in a significant horizontal load. I wonder what the horizontal drag of tail is at Vne?

[A64Pilot]

Unless you drop a wheel into a deep hole or something, your not putting much load on the tail. If you can push the aircraft by hand, the load is insignificant.

‘However I strongly recommend some kind of emergency disconnect, Having just come off of living on a cruising boat, I can attest that a stuck windlass isn’t all that uncommon, relays can and do occasionally stick, if our Starter relay sticks, we have the Master to disconnect it.

Code requires a disconnect for outside Airconditioners etc within a short distance of the load, often these disconnects are in a box and just plugin, a short piece of rope connected to it and you have a quick emergency disconnect, you can get these things at any home supply. 

Failing that, maybe a short piece of parachute cord or similar, something that would break before the aircraft is damaged, assuming it doesn’t just get pulled into the wall, so have some kind of chock to stop that?

I just use a couple pieces of 3/4 galvanized pipe and a golf cart because I have bad arthritis in my knees, if fact the first one gets replaced on Mon.