my pilot license is going to expire while Im on a flying vacation

[thinwing]

I have a temp commercial certificate issued 08/31 and expiring 12/31....thats a couple of weeks away...Ive tried leaving two messages with my local flight standards for an extension...so far a week later...crickets...talked to the issuing DPE...he said try riverside flight standards because they  kicked the new cert back 3 weeks after initial issue for some technical reason.So ,i emailed Riverside..and again no response.So while i am flying 12/30 thru jan 4th...i will have an expired temp cert.What to do????Advice please

[Hank]

Emails are easy to ignore. Time for phone calls, keep calling until you reach a human.

[thinwing]

Hank...the real live FAA people are apparently working from home ...all you get is a recording saying we will contact you shortly////

[Sheriff23]

Thinwing,

I had a FAR interpretation question recently regarding regarding military medicals.

I tried calling the Washington DC FSDO....No Joy, so.....

I submitted the question via email to the Washington DC Main FSDO. 

I had a reply within an hour from an FAA Rep who was teleworking and he answered everything via email.

I'd try that route.  Here's the link:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/dca/contact/

There's a link to email a question.

Sheriff

[Jim Peace]

Have fun...beg for forgiveness later...if it is even an issue....The FAA is all messed up.....my 1st class medical is extended 3 months and prob will get another extension.

[MooneyMitch]

Dumb question, or maybe a good question from a dumb person (me )..... do you need the commercial cert. to fly a non-commercial flight?  

[rbridges]

Is there an insurance issue if something comes up?  Otherwise, I'd probably ask for forgiveness if there is an incident since covid has made everything wonky this year.  

[thinwing]

thanks for replys..i am going to try sheriffs link

[thinwing]

Just now, rbridges said:

Is there an insurance issue if something comes up?  Otherwise, I'd probably ask for forgiveness if there is an incident since covid has made everything wonky this year.  

well ,as i read my policy,with an expired pilot cert...insurance null in case of accident ,not even counting on NTSB response

[Brian E.]

Just now, MooneyMitch said:

Dumb question, or maybe a good question from a dumb person (me )..... do you need the commercial cert. to fly a non-commercial flight?  

Not a dumb question but a very good one indeed.  As I read above I think the specific issue is that the OPs Temporary Airman Certificate - Commercial Pilot is going to lapse as it is only good for 120 days from issue.  While you can have a commercial certificate and not exercise the associated privileges and therefore not need the associated class 2 or higher medical.  However, in this case when he received his interim his PP certificate was likely invalidated and had a hole punched in it leaving him at the mercy of the temporary airman certificate.  Line 5 of his temp certificate reads: "It becomes void -- 5.  in any case, at the expiration of 120-days from date of issuance."

Hopefully Sheriff's link helps.  

 

[rbridges]

6 minutes ago, thinwing said:

well ,as i read my policy,with an expired pilot cert...insurance null in case of accident ,not even counting on NTSB response

That would make me very uneasy.  Hopefully you can get in touch with someone before 12/31.

[DMM]

Sounds like somethings lost in the mail or has fallen deep into the FAA blackhole.  According to the FAA website they are processing temporary certs issued Nov 25.  You can try this link giving instructions for requesting an extension online via FAA website.  But a follow up phone call may be best.  Good luck.  

https://www.safepilots.org/wp-content/uploads/what-to-do-if-your-temporary-airman-certificate-is-expiring-soon.pdf

[thinwing]

15 minutes ago, Brian E. said:

Not a dumb question but a very good one indeed.  As I read above I think the specific issue is that the OPs Temporary Airman Certificate - Commercial Pilot is going to lapse as it is only good for 120 days from issue.  While you can have a commercial certificate and not exercise the associated privileges and therefore not need the associated class 2 or higher medical.  However, in this case when he received his interim his PP certificate was likely invalidated and had a hole punched in it leaving him at the mercy of the temporary airman certificate.  Line 5 of his temp certificate reads: "It becomes void -- 5.  in any case, at the expiration of 120-days from date of issuance."

Hopefully Sheriff's link helps.  

 

Brian ..that is exactly the situation ,and why I am cncerned if there were an incident or accident....my UAS cert is good though...

[Brian E.]

Just now, thinwing said:

....my UAS cert is good though...

Good to know...perhaps you can find one big enough for you and your family   That would get you around your conundrum provided it was possible/legal.

[McMooney]

way i understand it, you still carry the privs of a PPL, piece of plastic doesn't matter.

[hypertech]

1 hour ago, Brian E. said:

Not a dumb question but a very good one indeed.  As I read above I think the specific issue is that the OPs Temporary Airman Certificate - Commercial Pilot is going to lapse as it is only good for 120 days from issue.  While you can have a commercial certificate and not exercise the associated privileges and therefore not need the associated class 2 or higher medical.  However, in this case when he received his interim his PP certificate was likely invalidated and had a hole punched in it leaving him at the mercy of the temporary airman certificate.  Line 5 of his temp certificate reads: "It becomes void -- 5.  in any case, at the expiration of 120-days from date of issuance."

Hopefully Sheriff's link helps.  

 

Where does it say in the FAR that a hole punch invalidated his private pilot certificate?  I'd be willing to bet if you check the airman registry that he still has a private pilot certificate.

[RLCarter]

i would think it’s no different than a 2nd class medical expiring, you can still exercise your ppl  privileges 

i would ask my insurance just to be safe

Edited December 16, 2020 by RLCarter

[thinwing]

2 hours ago, hypertech said:

Where does it say in the FAR that a hole punch invalidated his private pilot certificate?  I'd be willing to bet if you check the airman registry that he still has a private pilot certificate.

it does just that....but the temp lists the date of "superceded"pvt cert..and yes the DPE punchs a whole and asked if he could keep old plastic cert for his collection.

[jlunseth]

5 hours ago, thinwing said:

I have a temp commercial certificate issued 08/31 and expiring 12/31....thats a couple of weeks away...Ive tried leaving two messages with my local flight standards for an extension...so far a week later...crickets...talked to the issuing DPE...he said try riverside flight standards because they  kicked the new cert back 3 weeks after initial issue for some technical reason.So ,i emailed Riverside..and again no response.So while i am flying 12/30 thru jan 4th...i will have an expired temp cert.What to do????Advice please

You have a PPL don’t you? They may have notched it or cut a corner but you have the PPL. I would fly with the PPL and the temp commercial cert. It is COVID season. You don’t lose your PPL privileges, you just can’t work for hire. If you have a 3rd Class medical that is only good for PPL anyway. I would bring some of your emails and not worry too much about it. I think if you look in the COVID related SFARs you may find an extension anyway.

[hypertech]

Where is that in the FAR?  Your certificate was superseded but your private certificate was not suspended or revoked.  You might not be able to exercise the commercial privileges if your temporary expires and your permanent does not arrive, but it would be an absurd result if your private certificate somehow stopped existing without due process.  I can't find anything in the FAR and can only find this policy notice.  

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N_8900.490.pdf

[thinwing]

no hard copy of PPL...examiner took that...ive got a call out to insurence co to see if Im covered with an expire temp cert...honestly I never dreamed it would take 4 months to issus new one

[hypertech]

Also. if they have processed it and just not mailed your new card, you might be able to print out a new temporary here:  https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/amsrvs/Logon.asp

[thinwing]

i keep checking daily on FAA web site and it still shows old license

[hypertech]

Did you do this?

https://download.aopa.org/advocacy/2019/190124_temporary_certificates.pdf

[cliffy]

Make sure you write down everything you try and the dates and times for a written record. 

Document everything, every phone call, every email (with copies and dates, etc

Nothing beats a good paper trail