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chriscalandro

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Hank Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, chriscalandro said:

Errr mrrr. Grrrddd

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Hank Grand Master

Hank

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25 minutes ago, chriscalandro said:

Man, if you’re looking for a new 4 seat GA airplane, you would be a fool if this was not at the to of your list. 

Too many AMUs . . . .

Too many engines . . . .

Too many gallons per hour . . . .

Too much wingspan???

Too much "new" . . . .

Too many AMUs . . . .

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carusoam Grand Master

carusoam

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Chris,

Did you have a link for this awesome, unaffordable vehicle...

Or should we just go on Hank’s advice alone..?
 

 

Expect this thread May evaporate, in one....
 

:)

Best regards,

-a-

Hank Grand Master

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5 hours ago, carusoam said:

should we just go on Hank’s advice alone..?

I'm supposing that any New Aircraft will represent multiple Ovations, with total fuel flow approaching a Bravo. And I'm just a simple C driver . . . .

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Mark605 Apprentice

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Looks like a cool airplane, but it is somewhat handicapped by a low useful load because they are trying to stay under 2000kg MTOW because of the fees in Europe. Hopefully they make a version with a higher MTOW for us fat Americans. 

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chriscalandro Mentor

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8 hours ago, Hank said:

Too many AMUs . . . .

Too many engines . . . .

Too many gallons per hour . . . .

Too much wingspan???

Too much "new" . . . .

Too many AMUs . . . .

I believe it’s 300hp at 14gph on JetA and can get down to 8-10gph. 
 

useful load 1232


182kts cruise
 

Too many engines? It has 1...

 

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rbridges Grand Master

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It's kinda goofy looking but I still like it.  I think having four doors is great.  I've heard several people comment on its wingspan and that it may be too big for some T hangars.  If I had 7 figures worth of money burning a hole in my pocket....

Hank Grand Master

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25 minutes ago, chriscalandro said:

I believe it’s 300hp at 14gph on JetA and can get down to 8-10gph. 
 

useful load 1232


182kts cruise
 

Too many engines? It has 1...

 

I thought the DA40 was single, DA 50 twin. Guess I'm remembered wrong, but I'm hardly their target market. But the extra 35 knots would be nice . . . .  ;)

Mark605 Apprentice

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10 minutes ago, Hank said:

I thought the DA40 was single, DA 50 twin. Guess I'm remembered wrong, but I'm hardly their target market. But the extra 35 knots would be nice . . . .  ;)

DA40, Single

DA42, Multi

DA50, Single

DA62, Multi. 

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TGreen Community Regular

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Hard to believe there is much of a market for this considering the recent sales of other high performance retractable singles.

aviatoreb Grand Master

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I think this is almost in the category of the piper Meridian for the number of seats, but it is in a category on its own for the diesel.

Diesel is a major innovation that will make any airplane into its own niche.  Too bad Mooney isn't building airplanes anymore since a diesel M20 would be quite a unique thing.

dzeleski Proficient

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Not that I can afford this thing.... but the video they posted on YouTube says its a 5 seater, then they show people getting in the back seats and its very much not a 5 seater for adults. I love that its an RG though. The full fuel UL + range is pretty crap though. I wish the SR20/22 was RG as I probably would have looked at some of them more seriously, I hated how the side stick felt though.

Mark605 Apprentice

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One operational consideration for those of us in the US is fuel availability. When is the last time that you saw self serve jet-a? There are some podunk airports that are either good fuel stops, or destinations themselves, that don't really have FBO's, but will have self serve 100LL available 24/7. Just something that may make fuel/flight planning a little more tricky.

 

Regardless, its a really neat airplane. Hope that it does well. 

aviatoreb Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Mark605 said:

One operational consideration for those of us in the US is fuel availability. When is the last time that you saw self serve jet-a? There are some podunk airports that are either good fuel stops, or destinations themselves, that don't really have FBO's, but will have self serve 100LL available 24/7. Just something that may make fuel/flight planning a little more tricky.

 

Regardless, its a really neat airplane. Hope that it does well. 

There is self serve Jet A at my rural airfield and it is immediately across from my hangar!  And I have seen it elsewhere.

I get your point though.  I think going Diesel/jet a is smart for the world market where jet a is much cheaper and much more widely available than avgas in many places, but less relevant in the usa - for now.

What are the rules of running actual car or truck or house heating diesel in Diesel engine airplane?

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Mark605 Apprentice

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Just now, aviatoreb said:

There is self serve Jet A at my rural airfield and it is immediately across from my hangar!  And I have seen it elsewhere.

I get your point though.  I think going Diesel/jet a is smart for the world market where jet a is much cheaper and much more widely available than avgas in many places, but less relevant in the usa - for now.

What are the rules of running actual car or truck or house heating diesel in Diesel engine airplane?

I know that Jet-A has less lubricating properties than diesel, which is why you shouldn't run it in a diesel car all the time. That leads me to believe that diesel may not be that good for a jet-a engine, but I am sure you could use it in a pinch. 

No idea on the legalities though. 

Hank Grand Master

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15 minutes ago, aviatoreb said:

What are the rules of running actual car or truck or house heating diesel in Diesel engine airplane?

A bigger issue is at your fuel.stop 3 hours from home--how do you fill up to reach your destination? Some have full serve only, during limited hours; some have no Jet A and the gas station is down the road . . . .

aviatoreb Grand Master

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Just now, Hank said:

A bigger issue is at your fuel.stop 3 hours from home--how do you fill up to reach your destination? Some have full serve only, during limited hours; some have no Jet A and the gas station is down the road . . . .

Jet a is around the usa but at fewer small airports as you said.  So cross country as said would require the same kind of planning as if flying a turbine engine.  It could be done, but a nuisance.

I doubt that car/truck/home heating diesel would be allowed.  If it were though, then it would be nice since well at least in my case I would say 40-50% of my fuel fill ups are from my home pump.  It would be a noticeable savings if I were filling up with the stuff from a truck stop.

This is all hypothetical for discussion sake - no way I am buying that airplane. Too expensive for me.  And if I did have that money I would be filling up with jet-a for my Pt6-powered something.

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Hank Grand Master

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3 minutes ago, chriscalandro said:

I don’t remember the last airport I went to that did t have full service jet A and avgas. 
 

hell I’m at the smallest airport around and we have both on both sides of the field. 

We have different definitions of "small" airports!

My first home had self serve 100LL only. Next field had only full-serve 100LL and Jet A from trucks, the 9-10 hours each day the FBO was open. Next base had no fuel at all. My current home has self serve 100LL and may have Jet A, I honestly haven't paid attention--and there is one fuel truck, but I'm never there when the FBO is open, which is presumably when the fuel truck is available. 

carusoam Grand Master

carusoam

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My home drome has the Jet A for helicopters... and a few turbine planes...

Lots of helicopter activity outside the major hubs... for commuting into the major hubs...  :)

Best regards,

-a-

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