Mooney's are awesome....

[PTK]

Quote: 74657

Allsmiles -

How does a Missile or Rocket negatively effect the value of an airplane?  Do you mean in terms of re-sale or aquisition or a reduction in "efficiency" because of the larger engine?  I paid more for my Missile than any comparable J was listed at.  In terms of performance, it is equal or better than an Ovation and is ~35-50AMU's less.  Nothing against the Ovations, I would have loved to landed in one but the Missile was in my price range whereas the O was at the top and would have left me with little reserve for any upgrades.

I think for the money, a Rocket or Missile will give you more bang/buck when compared to an Acclaim/Ovation if you are talking about speed/efficiency.

[AustinChurch]

Quote: 74657

Mine was set around 2550 but I turned mine up to 2700 after having a similar conversation with Rocket.

Austin - I do see the same thing you do in regards to oil temps.  In my last few longer trips the oil gets up to 205 at climb and runs about 190-195 in cruise with OAT's in the low 60's.  My CHT spread is close to yours, maybe a little wider @ 20 degrees across all 6 but on around 380-400.  My baffling appears to be OK.  All of the people that no nothing about the conversion say "this plane needs cowl flaps."  Those comments get me hotter than my cylinder heads.  Any thoughts?  Fuel flows are verified to be correct, the baffling isn't torn or ripped at all.

[AustinChurch]

Quote: 74657

 Bring it!  It took us about 15 hours of testing/adjusting/flying and repeating to get the new engine "dialed in" like we wanted.  The IO-550A has its quirks.  The auto-lean fuel pump being the main one.  Did you pop for the ECI nickel cylinders?  I like their 5 year warranty so went ahead and spent the extra money on them.  My red tagged crank was a 6AMU expenditure that I wasnt prepared for.  During the wait I installed the new JPI and LOVE IT.  PM me your email address!

 

 

[AustinChurch]

Quote: allsmiles

It's not a matter of faith in quality. It's strictly a matter of value.

[74657]

Quote: AustinChurch

I was wondering if my CHT probes weren't "calibrated" correctly since I'm seeing such low CHT's so I changed a couple of them and found the same temps as before.  I guess they are accurate but I've had a few good mechanics tell me that the low 300's is to cool and should be around 380.  Based on this, I think your temps are good and IIRC the redline is 425.   To manage the oil temps, I'm not climbing as agreesively when the OAT is 90 or greater. It'd be nice if someone with an Ovation could chime in on their CHT's/oil temps (they don't have cowl flaps either).

[AustinChurch]

Come to think of it, you're right on the 450 so I really think you're in good shape.  I'm going to fly on Friday (we're 90+ right now) so I'll check the CHT's again and re-report what I find.  I have the JPI 700 so no % to power funtion here!   

[74657]

For what its worth I am running the plug gasket sensors and they are installed on the bottom cylinders which I hear read about 20-30 degrees hotter......

[jetdriven]

That is correct.  I like the bayonet probes I think they read the average cylinder temp better. 

[aviatoreb]

Quote: allsmiles

A modified airplane is a lot harder to sell. There are less available buyers.  It is further affected by the stigma of it being modified. Add to it a less than impecable maintenance history it becomes so much harder to sell.  

If there is one thing that ticks me off is an owner who flies his airplane a few years does some spotty minimal maintenence along the way and then suddenly wants to sell at a premium! When are we going to finally learn that there is no free lunch! 

[jetdriven]

Dual 430's and a S'TEC autopilot are modifications and Mooneys with those sell in hours, not days.

[carusoam]

Austin,

 

Ovation1 cruises with CHTs in the 280 - 320F range.  Measured with the JPI700.  Climbs are slightly higher.

 

Best regards,

 

-a-

[Omega703]

Quote: allsmiles

In all honesty NO.  I will never purchase a Missile or a Rocket.  I don't believe on modified airplanes. Especially Mooneys. I'm of the opinion they detract from the inherent value of an excellent stock airplane.  This goes with most all modifications with the exception a very few such as redoing the interior and some avionics, SOME avionics upgrades.

The best Mooney ever imhp is the stock J.  Period.

[Parker_Woodruff]

I could afford to buy a Rocket.  Couldn't necessarily afford to fly one as much as I want to.  So I got the 252.  With a higher operating budget I would have gone with a Rocket hands down.

[jetdriven]

The Cirrus guy is too busy looking at his Garmin screens for traffic to look outside.  Than and calculating how he is going to pay 12 grand a year for insurance, 12 grand for an annual,  3 grand for recurrent training, 22 GPH, and to top it all off,  a twelve thousand dollar parachute repack every 10 years.  Go buy an acclaim with that money and go even faster.

Even Mike Busch says those things cost half again more than a Bonanza to own.  Pretty though.

Quote: Omega703

In all honesty NO.  I will never purchase a Missile or a Rocket.  I don't believe on modified airplanes. Especially Mooneys. I'm of the opinion they detract from the inherent value of an excellent stock airplane.  This goes with most all modifications with the exception a very few such as redoing the interior and some avionics, SOME avionics upgrades.

The best Mooney ever imhp is the stock J.  Period.

[John Pleisse]

Quote: jetdriven

 Each to his own. I wonder if a Rocket owner has the same feelings as he passes the SR22T at FL240

[fantom]

LMAO...more suspect opinion, stated as absolute fact, with zero discrete data to back it up.

The best Mooney, just like the best GPS, is the one you have, especially if it's paid off.

No wonder some dentists do breast implants. ;-)

[jetdriven]

NEVER finance breast implants! Especially if they are not for your body!

[AustinChurch]

Quote: 74657

For what its worth I am running the plug gasket sensors and they are installed on the bottom cylinders which I hear read about 20-30 degrees hotter......

[AustinChurch]

Quote: carusoam

Austin,

 

Ovation1 cruises with CHTs in the 280 - 320F range.  Measured with the JPI700.  Climbs are slightly higher.

 

Best regards,

 

-a-

[orangemtl]

The best Mooney is the one you can afford to buy.  If you have the plane that you intend to keep indefinitely, then the upgrades that you choose (GPS, paint, interior, performance upgrades) are worth it.

Resale is important: but, like the crash in real estate values in the past 5 years, it only matters if you're in a house that you want/need to sell. If you're in your permanent home (on the ground or aloft), then 'tart' it up to match your needs and desires. Life is short: enjoy it.

[PTK]

Quote: orangemtl

The best Mooney is the one you can afford to buy.  If you have the plane that you intend to keep indefinitely, then the upgrades that you choose (GPS, paint, interior, performance upgrades) are worth it.

Resale is important: but, like the crash in real estate values in the past 5 years, it only matters if you're in a house that you want/need to sell. If you're in your permanent home (on the ground or aloft), then 'tart' it up to match your needs and desires. Life is short: enjoy it.

[AustinChurch]

Brandon,

I flew over to Destin, Fl today and the ground temps were 87df.  I climbed to 5500msl at 100KIAS, WOT and 2700 rpm for 1000 fpm (I was about 165 lbs under gross) and the highest CHT I was 337df on cylinder #5. My oil temp rose to 230df.  I hope this helps you for comparison.

 

Austin

[M016576]

That oil temp seems high... doesn't oil start to burn/atomize somewhere around the 235-240 degree mark?

[74657]

Austin,

What was your fuel flow at takeoff?

Im back working on my IR so we were flying all day today.  Seein 28 gph on the roll I got CHT's @ 400 (with my spark plug probes so really more like 375, 1200 fpm with oil temps @ 209.  OAT was 60F.  The plane definately likes cool OAT's.

Thanks for the update.

[AustinChurch]

My fuel flow is 26 GPH @ WOT, SL, 2700 RPM.  I hear ya on the cool OAT!  My CHT's are fine but I need to climb at 120 KIAS to keep oil around 210-215.  No biggie because by myself (90% of my flying) and 75 gallons of 100LL, I'm seeing 1000 fpm at that speed!