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Anyone hear about Obama missing KPSP and going to KRIV

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cliffy Grand Master

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Anyone else hear that Obama tried twice to get into KPSP and had to go missed and go to KRIV instead due to weather?

Willing to bet for them it was 1900/3 for mins Cat D  VOR approach (VFR in reality) but I haven't checked the weather then

 The big blue bird couldn't get in on Friday. 

MB65E Grand Master

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Guess the ole'74 and that Hawker for that matter need a 530W onboard!!

Would you believe Rockwell Collins wants $60k for WAAS compliance nowadays ?!? Can't imagin what Boing wants!! 

geez!

-Matt

Hank Grand Master

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No, I hadn't heard. He don't make the news down this way anymore, now that he's done crying.

My CFII was a former Delta pilot, she always said my C had better Nav instruments than the jets she flew . . .

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Danb Grand Master

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hard to believe a gov't airplane transporting the ex-president doesn't have the capability to land when conditions are 900 ovc 

201er Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Danb said:

hard to believe a gov't airplane transporting the ex-president doesn't have the capability to land when conditions are 900 ovc 

Do you really want to be paying EVEN MORE taxes so that the ex-president could have the luxury of having the newest/most expensive new nav capability to land at his chosen airport instead of on the free ILS 38 miles away?

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Marauder Grand Master

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hard to believe a gov't airplane transporting the ex-president doesn't have the capability to land when conditions are 900 ovc 


You ever look in a government owned vehicle? It is amazing what the "lowest bidder" really means.


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kris_adams Mentor

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51 minutes ago, Danb said:

hard to believe a gov't airplane transporting the ex-president doesn't have the capability to land when conditions are 900 ovc 

Wow...So it can't shoot LPV?  Not sure why I find that super surprising...The audio link above was interesting to hear.  Gave some good ideas for holding waiting for the weather to clear.  I've always thought of holding as "punishment"  lol.

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201er Grand Master

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3 minutes ago, Kris_Adams said:

Wow...So it can't shoot LPV?  Not sure why I find that super surprising...The audio link above was interesting to hear.  Gave some good ideas for holding waiting for the weather to clear.  I've always thought of holding as "punishment"  lol.

Not sure about LPV/WAAS capability on that plane. But apparently Palm Springs only offers a single VOR approach or RNP approaches.

https://skyvector.com/airport/PSP/Palm-Springs-International-Airport

The other jets were going around as well. Look at that terrain!

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cliffy Grand Master

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If you look at the RNAV approaches both are RNP approaches (GPS LPVs don't apply) and special 

approval is required to shoot these approaches. These are very unusual approaches due to nearby terrain.

The only thing available was the VOR.  Even a Garmin WAAS wouldn't have been useful. 

These approaches when they were designed it was for an airline going in there and no one else at the time.

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Skates97 Grand Master

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5 hours ago, 201er said:

Not sure about LPV/WAAS capability on that plane. But apparently Palm Springs only offers a single VOR approach or RNP approaches.

https://skyvector.com/airport/PSP/Palm-Springs-International-Airport

The other jets were going around as well. Look at that terrain!

 

Yep, lots of mountains around there. I haven't landed at Palm Springs but did my PPL night XC to Thermal (Jacqueline Cochran) just for the fun of landing below sea level.

This was last Saturday, PSP is on the other side of that 10,834' peak off my right wing. To the north of the pass it climbs quickly to 6,500' with the tallest peak at 11,499'.

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I fly with 2 encrypted GPS receivers. Very capable machines. But because I control the database and can change things I am not allowed to use it for anything GPS when it comes to IFR. Navigation is strictly SA builders. Has to be VOR/TACAN routing. 

Bot sure on this partciular AF jet but it is true that most of us fly behind better IFR avionics then military aircraft.

But then again my IFR stuff can't do the tactical stuff it was designed for. 

All comes down to priorities. 

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MB65E Grand Master

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I heard the tape, why circle a 747 in mountainous terrain, in the scud, with only a 3kt tail wind? Seems like the ROI was mute. 

Just wondering?

-Matt

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47 minutes ago, MB65E said:

I heard the tape, why circle a 747 in mountainous terrain, in the scud, with only a 3kt tail wind? Seems like the ROI was mute. 

Just wondering?

-Matt

Im guessing to have a look from the other direction because there was only a 3 kt tail wind.

cliffy Grand Master

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Why circle?  Because the approach only allows for a circle because it ends at the end of the runway

Too steep for a straight in per TERPS

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