RobertE Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 I see the last TFR discussion got locked up due to too much politics. Let's see if we can keep this one clean. There was a comment that the secret service made all the decisions re TFRs. Although that certainly sounds logical I have direct experience that seems to contradict it, at least as it concerns the VP. I keep my airplane at a small airport in Northern Cal, near what must have been some friends of Cheney. On more than one occasion Marine Two would show up unannounced. No TFR. Nothing but some black, heavily-armed SUVs with dogs and agents there to clear the field a few minutes before arrival. Maybe the secret service takes the VP more lightly, but one of the guys told me Cheney just didn't want to creat a stir (the agents sure we're serious, though. Once I had the seats out of the aircraft, moments before a rain shower was to hit. When I asked for 60 seconds to toss them into the airplane before leaving the agent said "I told you to leave NOW". Soaked seats.)
takair Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 It is ironic that the TFR advertises the exact location of an event or VIP. One might argue that keeping some of these quiet is a better defense than the TFR itself. Much like coming across an envelope in the street that says don't look...makes one all the more curious. i have come to appreciate Foreflight with ADS-B in...and XM before that....for the graphic TFRs. At least we have these tools to offset the increased frequency of various TFRs. Just today I saw three in NY, so it wasn't the presidential TFR that closes the Hudson, but a college ball game.
Danb Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 I unfortunately know Mr Biden, the TFR in Wilmington is a generally if not always instilled at KILG or at the train station if he decides to travel by rail. Although not as tight as the POTUS TFR it's still a pain. We always get in on an Ifr plan and generally flying vfr provided we get a descrete code. When the President comes into Wilmington I've been put on hold until he's clear of the airport when the VP TFR is in effect I've landed with mr Biden still on the airport.
Robert C. Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 No official knowledge, but will add my real world data point. 4 weeks ago I was on a PALS flight passing Boston (Northbound). I got some strange vectors, then was told: Compassion Flight 6PC traffic your 10 o'clock 4 miles, 2 ship a 747 and a F-35. They must have been out of Pease AFB. In and out of the clouds I called in negative contact. Next call was Air Force 1 turn right 40 deg. As the aircraft is only called AF1 when the prez is on board I assume he was. But there were no TFRs anywhere near Boston that day. Completely unannounced. robert
Dave Colangelo Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 I almost high the Clinton TFR last weekend when Hillary and (presumably Bill) flew into KPNE prior to her rally in Philly the night before the election. I did not check the TFR's that morning and was planning to be back from KLNS (where I meet some fellow MooneySpace guys) by 2PM. The TFR kicked in at 2:45 and on our return the ATIS was broadcasting it. I thought there would be some shenanigans on the ground as it was already 1:45. We landed around 2:00 and parked on the ramp all but 200yards from where the jets were already parading in. I was surprised I could get so close. While pulling out of the parking lot her motorcade came rolling in and she presumably landed not all that long after I left. No one ever came up to me, stopped me or even looked twice, I was expecting way more than that. I'm still a little surprised the first issuance of the newest TFR went right through the VFR corridor. Even the updated one (unless they updated it again seems a bit unsafe as traffic is all on the west side of the river. Regards Dave
Guest Posted November 12, 2016 Report Posted November 12, 2016 5 hours ago, Hyett6420 said: Agreed, like when some people were sitting in the Theatre in London watching "War Horse", there were two empty seats in the middle of the row, the play had started. an elderly couple excused themselves to everyone as they made their way to their seats in the middle of the row. The were HM the Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh. Just two armed policemen at the end of the row for protection, two cars. No advance notice. And in Brittain those were likely the only two armed people in the area. Clarence
Guest Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Hyett6420 said: Dont need a gun or a knife to kill anyone, hands work just fine thank you. It a bit harder to kill dozens of people with "military grade assault hands" Clarence
XXX Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 4 hours ago, Hyett6420 said: Dont need a gun or a knife to kill anyone, hands work just fine thank you. Sounds like another Brit I know of. Bond is his name, James Bond. 1
flyboy0681 Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 Not a political statement in the least, but it has been reported that the president elect has stated that he wants to spend a good deal of his time in NYC. To me that means wreaking havoc on GA due to extended TFR's.
NotarPilot Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 1 hour ago, flyboy0681 said: Not a political statement in the least, but it has been reported that the president elect has stated that he wants to spend a good deal of his time in NYC. To me that means wreaking havoc on GA due to extended TFR's. As the owner of several GA aircraft I would hope he's more mindful of the inconvenience they present.
Hank Posted November 13, 2016 Report Posted November 13, 2016 4 hours ago, Hyett6420 said: Can someone dm me woth an explanation of the last two "emojis" i am sure its hilarious but i dont get it. , soz. They're eating popcorn, ready for the entertainment the preceding comment is likely to generate . . . Speaking of which, wasn't James Bond always armed? Walter PPK, I believe.
flyboy0681 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Posted November 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Hank said: Speaking of which, wasn't James Bond always armed? He was, but that's because he never knew when he'd be up against somebody like Odd Job.
StinkBug Posted November 16, 2016 Report Posted November 16, 2016 On 11/13/2016 at 1:16 PM, NotarPilot said: As the owner of several GA aircraft I would hope he's more mindful of the inconvenience they present. I'm not sure a citation and a 757 both flown IFR by hired pilots quite qualifies. He walks on and takes the ride. The guys up front have to deal with making it happen. Doubt he even knows what a TFR is.
flyboy0681 Posted November 20, 2016 Report Posted November 20, 2016 Well, this was pretty much expected. The NY Post is reporting that the First Family will be remaining in NYC. To me that means the President will be commuting to work. The FAA and Secret Service will need a way to keep the TFR around Trump Tower compact enough so that our brethren in the New York area can stay in the air during weekends. It would be unimaginable if Teterboro, Caldwell and Republic were cut off to GA. Then there are the citizens of Manhattan having to deal with the shutting down of 5th Avenue at 56th Street full time, which is a major artery through the center of the city. http://nypost.com/2016/11/20/melania-and-barron-trump-wont-be-moving-to-the-white-house/
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