DaV8or Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) The Mooney M10T has taken flight in Chino. Does this mean anything for Mooney in America? http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news...-225430-1.html Edited January 22, 2016 by DaV8or Quote
KSMooniac Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 We need it to be successful to help keep the Kerrville plant and brand viable, IMO. The M20 is withering on the vine and IMO not much else can be done to evolve the airframe and make it more competitive or significantly less expensive. A successful M10T and M10J could eventually lead to M20 replacements with the new technology, and especially bigger cabins. We would all love to see that happen. 3 Quote
DaV8or Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 Very true. Does anybody else think the landing gear on this M10T looks like it just not up to the job of a ham fisted student pilot?? I'm not sure I have ever seen such long spindly legs on a plane. Quote
Hank Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 It's a trainer, so they're not gussied up any. They also look like the down-and-welded version of the retract to come. Add some aerodynamic trim and wheel pants, it'll look better . . . 2 Quote
Shadrach Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 I hear so many folks talk about how ugly this plane is. I think a big part of it is the spindly legs and the paint. I don't think the Lancair IVP is particularly beautiful on the ground. I think tucking the gear up and adding glossy paint will do a lot for the M10. Quote
Jerry 5TJ Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 10 hours ago, DaV8or said: .....I'm not sure I have ever seen such long spindly legs on a plane. 1 Quote
Yooper Rocketman Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 38 minutes ago, Shadrach said: I don't think the Lancair IVP is particularly beautiful on the ground. Ouch.....That hurts. Tom Quote
carl Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 10 hours ago, DaV8or said: Very true. Does anybody else think the landing gear on this M10T looks like it just not up to the job of a ham fisted student pilot?? I'm not sure I have ever seen such long spindly legs on a plane. I think the gear has a huge compression strut to absorb landings like I do! I think it looks really funny because it is not compressed and has no fairing yet . I think the tail is too small. Quote
Shadrach Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 15 minutes ago, Yooper Rocketman said: Ouch.....That hurts. Tom Sorry buddy but with the gear down... 3 Quote
Danb Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Shadrach said: Sorry buddy but with the gear down... Ross the birdie looks like one of Chris's babes on steroids 1 Quote
DaV8or Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 5 hours ago, Jerry 5TJ said: Yes, but at least this gear has some bracing. Which gear do you think is stronger, the folding gear on my old M20, or the fixed gear on this new M10? Quote
DaV8or Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 15 hours ago, Hank said: It's a trainer, so they're not gussied up any. They also look like the down-and-welded version of the retract to come. Add some aerodynamic trim and wheel pants, it'll look better . . . I do think this may be the case. I have some doubts as to whether or not the M10J will ever be a reality, but I suspect they are planning for that possibility now just in case. Quote
gsengle Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 I don't see why not, they designed them no doubt with tons of commonality... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
gsxrpilot Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 The M10 is designed to be a trainer, primarily for the China market which is growing quickly. It's three seats and fixed gear. It'll be in full production in another year or two. 1 Quote
DaV8or Posted January 24, 2016 Author Report Posted January 24, 2016 3 hours ago, gsxrpilot said: The M10 is designed to be a trainer, primarily for the China market which is growing quickly. It's three seats and fixed gear. It'll be in full production in another year or two. Yep. Over there. I have my doubts if we will ever see them here. Quote
Shadrach Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 5 hours ago, DaV8or said: Yep. Over there. I have my doubts if we will ever see them here. Why? While we have a surplus of legacy trainers still in service here, The vast majority of new trainers I see are foreign made. Why would,they have based their HQ in Chino if they didn't plan on selling planes here? Quote
yvesg Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 22 hours ago, carl said: I think the gear has a huge compression strut to absorb landings like I do! I think it looks really funny because it is not compressed and has no fairing yet . I think the tail is too small. I agree with you and I said it before... the tail (specifically the fin) is too small. This will make spin recovery difficult... we'll see. Yves Quote
DonMuncy Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 First off, I am extremely pleased that someone is trying to move Mooney forward, and I hope they are wildly successful. That being said, is there anything about the M10 that distinguishes it from the competitors. Granted, it is 3 seat. Is that a big plus? If you were not a Mooney fan, would you be more inclined to learn in/buy an M10. And why. Quote
KSMooniac Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 Pricing hasn't been announced, but the operating costs will likely be lower than other trainers on the market...that should be a compelling reason to consider one. Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk 1 Quote
DonMuncy Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 I know the M20s are efficient. Is the M10 supposed to be more aerodynamic than most. By the way, what planes are considered trainers in today's market. As I stated at the onset. I'm not trying to bad mouth the M10. I'm really looking for ways to promote it. Quote
bonal Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 I too am glad they are back in the game again and couldnt care less where they are sold. In all of economics they talk of the lopsided ratio of import export in the US the one industry thar consistently out performs the import stat is aviation manufacturing. As for spin recovery I am sure the designers have that in mind perhaps the very tapered fuselage permits greater undisturbed airflow to the tail giving greater rudder authority than our older designs. Quote
Shadrach Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 On January 23, 2016 at 2:26 PM, DaV8or said: Yes, but at least this gear has some bracing. Which gear do you think is stronger, the folding gear on my old M20, or the fixed gear on this new M10? I couldn't say. The M20 gear is pretty stout stuff. I've never seen an airplane with it sheared off. Collapses are usually due to MX not gear strength or design. Quote
Shadrach Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, DonMuncy said: I know the M20s are efficient. Is the M10 supposed to be more aerodynamic than most. By the way, what planes are considered trainers in today's market. As I stated at the onset. I'm not trying to bad mouth the M10. I'm really looking for ways to promote it. Tecnam P92 Diamond DA20 Flight Design Both Tecnam and Flight design are bringing new aircraft to market. It's a battle for efficiency, these birds do more with less. I think the M10 will slot nicely in the training market and likely offer superior speed and efficiency. 3 seats should work well in a trainer. 2 students and an instructor is the norm for multiple student missions. I aslo think that once it's painted and cleaned up for prime time it will be more aesthetically appealing then anything else in the training market. I do not believe the so called "small rudder" is an issue either. It's funny to read that people are drawing conclusions about spin recovery from press releases photos...as though the engineers who designed the thing just picked the shape and size from thin air. I have every confidence that the airframe is well thought out and the handling will be excellent. Early A, B and C models have smallish rudders and they recover from spins just fine, they just pick up a tremendous amount of vertical speed in the process. I'm not sure, but I think it's likely that many of our planes were spun during the test flights. Edited January 25, 2016 by Shadrach 1 Quote
glafaille Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 4 hours ago, DonMuncy said: First off, I am extremely pleased that someone is trying to move Mooney forward, and I hope they are wildly successful. That being said, is there anything about the M10 that distinguishes it from the competitors. Granted, it is 3 seat. Is that a big plus? If you were not a Mooney fan, would you be more inclined to learn in/buy an M10. And why. As is usual with Mooney products, I think speed is one of the distinguishing features. I have read the cruise speed is 140 knots. Another is a jet fuel burning engine. In some parts of the world Avgas is not available so a jet fuel burning trainer is a big thing. So there you have 2 features that are not found in othet training aircraft. Quote
DonMuncy Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Not bad. 140 knots, diesel, 3 seats, presumably efficient, and a Mooney tilted tail. 1 Quote
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