VW Dilemma

[AndyFromCB]

I am a big fan of efficiency, hence the Mooney.  I had an 02 Jetta TDI that I put 253k mi on and got 40mpg with very little maintenance and is still going strong.  I currently have a 2013 Passat TDI that also gets 40mpg and my daughter drives a Beetle TDI that gets 45mpg.  My Passat does have the exhaust fluid.  I doubt that I will be taking my car in to be reprogrammed to have less power or get less mileage.  I believe I am doing my part to help the environment by going at least twice as far on a gallon of fuel that if I was driving a truck.

If your Passat uses the urea tank, you're fine. It's the cars without urea injection that were programed to bypass the scrubber when on the road. Apparently, now the German government is going after them as well. Good for them. Maybe after one giant company goes Tango Uniform and the peanut salmonella guy dies in prison, companies will slowly realize they are not above the law.

[N601RX]

If your Passat uses the urea tank, you're fine. It's the cars without urea injection that were programed to bypass the scrubber when on the road. Apparently, now the German government is going after them as well. Good for them. Maybe after one giant company goes Tango Uniform and the peanut salmonella guy dies in prison, companies will slowly realize they are not above the law.

The 12, 13,14 and 15 Passats with the 2.0 TDI uses Urea. They also are included in the cars that are affected.  We have put 110,000 miles on our 12 model and its been getting 50mpg if driven reasonable.  I'm guessing most owners are not going to be happy with VW's fix, as mileage and power will likely be affected.

[WardHolbrook]

Not that I am thinking of putting a Diesel on my Mooney. But why when testing a diesel engine VW car emissions you need to tell the car computer a test is to be performed?. And if the VWs can emit clean combustion gases during the test only why they don't do it all the time. In the early days car didn't have computers and emission tests were performed by just inserting a probe in the muffler. What I am missing here? Does an $11 billion fine is going to clean the pollution emitted by the VW cars? How about the pollution of all those toilets that discharge into the ground of drinking water wells? 

José 

Jose, it's not about the pollution, I think they couldn't care less about the pollution. It's about the $11 billion USD.

[AndyFromCB]

Jose, it's not about the pollution, I think they couldn't care less about the pollution. It's about the $11 billion USD.

No, of course it could not be about breaking the law. And yes, it is about $11 billion or $18 billion, potentially, plus another $7 billion to fix it. Great IMHO, short term thinking got them, maybe really got them. Most companies were complying with the regulations, VW chose not to. Now they will pay the price. I'm not shedding any tears. And yes, EPA does care about pollution, quite a bit, actually. If that was not the case, there would not be so much whining and crying from the industry. VWs were emitting 40x allowed NOx. That's the air I am breathing too. Sorry if I like for it to be clean.

Edited September 25, 2015 by AndyFromCB

[Guest]

You should read up on NOx does and how many people it kills annually. Many more than the switches...Mostly older folks, so what do I care ;-) Seems to be EU's solution to aging population.

I'm not sure on the U.S. stats, but here in Canada about 50,000 people die of smoking related cause, so I'll guess tens times that in the U.S.  How do you suppose that VW's little issue compares?  And just wait till the rest of the manufacturers get caught in similar things.  

No one should be at all surprised, greed is the driver, the top 100 richest people in the world have more money than the lowest 3.5 Billion

Clarence

[N33GG]

How do you spell VW?

 

B  U  S  T  E  D!!!!!!!!!!!

[MB65E]

The blue juice is based on weight.  The Jetta's don't, they beat the weight requirement by 5 lbs. The Passats do. I think what will happen is the states with emission laws will black ball the car if you don't have the SW fix. Basically not letting you license the car come emission time. It finally makes sense in my head on why the Diesel market was so strange here in the states. VW was the only reasonable manufacture that was on the market. Other Mercedes and BMW had the power but lacked in affordability. The BMW  335D came out a few years ago and was an expensive fast Diesel that didn't get the mileage. This year the 328d cuts the cake, but the VW's were always more efficient!! Now we all know why. I think it makes a good case now for BMW and others to really try and see what they can do. Hopefully the tech  will improve. I think they all put projects on the back burner because VW has the market share covered. I think I'll start saving for a new 328d. It was a better car than the VW's in the first place!

-Matt

[Hank]

I don't want a smelly, noisy diesel that uses smelly, greasy, expensive fuel, regardless of what badge is on the grill.

at least here in Alabama, they don't need to be plugged in to crank in the winter, but I still don't want one. Electric isn't a real option, either, it will take three days with two overnight charges to drive to see family in NC.

[bonal]

I'll bite,

dont really care since I don't own or operate a diesel I think as a fuel its fine especially if you have to move a heavy load (longer carbon chain) means more power. Any way none of us has any right to bitch as we operate some of the dirtiest engines mostly for pleasure and we should do whatever is possible to not get onto their radars any more than we already are. You want to save the planet then quit buying newer better cars and keep the one you have takes a lot more energy to make a new car than you will ever save buy an improvement in fuel mileage. On a personal note how much pollution do you think was released by all the fires here out west . Fires the would not have been nearly as destructive or intense if the so called environmentalists would have allowed the industry to continue to manage then like before now there is so much fuel when they go they go big. All the Volkswagens in the world can't even come close to producing the amount of carbon emissions as one of these fires.

fire away (pun intended)

[M016576]

If VW is forced to lower their prices on their new jettas to get consumers/ brand loyalty back... It might be enough for me to finally trade in my 02 Jetta for a new one.... I love that car.

[flyboy0681]

 And yes, EPA does care about pollution, quite a bit, actually. If that was not the case, there would not be so much whining and crying from the industry. VWs were emitting 40x allowed NOx. That's the air I am breathing too. Sorry if I like for it to be clean.

Although I do feel that the EPA goes overboard, I can't imagine what this place would look like now if they weren't around. And don't kid yourself, manufacturers would not have done the right thing on their own had their hand not been forced.

 

This is exactly how I remember Los Angeles from my youth.

[Piloto]

Well diesel VWs are not the only polluting. 16 ships burning bunker fuel pollute more than all the cars in the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

How about trains 18 wheelers and jet planes. And they don't get $11bn fines. I think the fine is excessive. The proper action is to recall the diesel VWs and fix the problem. Nobody has been injured because of this defect. BTW I always buy Ford cars. High reliable and durable. My Ford Explorer has over 200,000 miles and never had a problem with it.

José 

 

 

 

 

[Hank]

Jose,mthe fine is not for the pollution, it's for stating publicly that they meet pollution standards to avoid paying penalties, when in fact they did not. Like speeders on the highway, they rolled the dice and lost. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Pay the fine . . .

I drive a 2004 Ford Ranger, inherited from my father in law. The best thing about it is that Ford didn't build it, they just swapped out the Mazda insignia. It hauls a load well, pulls heavily loaded trailers well, but the list of shortcomings and design misses is quite lengthy. Having owned two Hondas, an Infinity and a Jaguar, I readily admit that I am not their target demographic. But I needed a truck, this one was available, and Mom in law can't drive a stick (but her daughter can).

[AndyFromCB]

I'll bite,

dont really care since I don't own or operate a diesel I think as a fuel its fine especially if you have to move a heavy load (longer carbon chain) means more power. Any way none of us has any right to bitch as we operate some of the dirtiest engines mostly for pleasure and we should do whatever is possible to not get onto their radars any more than we already are. You want to save the planet then quit buying newer better cars and keep the one you have takes a lot more energy to make a new car than you will ever save buy an improvement in fuel mileage. On a personal note how much pollution do you think was released by all the fires here out west . Fires the would not have been nearly as destructive or intense if the so called environmentalists would have allowed the industry to continue to manage then like before now there is so much fuel when they go they go big. All the Volkswagens in the world can't even come close to producing the amount of carbon emissions as one of these fires.

fire away (pun intended)

Bullshit, quotations, or or you're full of it. 40x is what the WV engines were doing when it comes to NOxs. Fires are precisely screwed because of the industry. It's only in the last 10 years or so that the forest service finally allowed the brush and deadfall to start burning. And yes, the VWs in this world blow away all the fires, volcanoes, etc, once again quotations. Please deliver because otherwise 40% of all pollution is easily attributed to transportations. Say otherwise, prove it, or quite spreading BS. You know, I don't take BS from either left or right of the spectrum, so prove you're right.

[flyboy0681]

BTW I always buy Ford cars. High reliable and durable. My Ford Explorer has over 200,000 miles and never had a problem with it.

 

I'm still loving my Ford Fusion plug-in.

[AndyFromCB]

Well diesel VWs are not the only polluting. 16 ships burning bunker fuel pollute more than all the cars in the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

How about trains 18 wheelers and jet planes. And they don't get $11bn fines. I think the fine is excessive. The proper action is to recall the diesel VWs and fix the problem. Nobody has been injured because of this defect. BTW I always buy Ford cars. High reliable and durable. My Ford Explorer has over 200,000 miles and never had a problem with it.

José 

 

 

 

 

Don't quote daily shit or whatever they call themselves this days. Deliver a clear PDF, with clear data, please. At best, even the worst ship is delivering 100,000hp on a good day. That's 1000 cars aka 16000 cars AKA my block. The article is BS and you know it. Prove me wrong, please.

[Guest]

Well diesel VWs are not the only polluting. 16 ships burning bunker fuel pollute more than all the cars in the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

How about trains 18 wheelers and jet planes. And they don't get $11bn fines. I think the fine is excessive. The proper action is to recall the diesel VWs and fix the problem. Nobody has been injured because of this defect. BTW I always buy Ford cars. High reliable and durable. My Ford Explorer has over 200,000 miles and never had a problem with it.

José 

 

 

 

 

What about the flare stacks beside every oil well? They burn non stop burning off the gas that they don't want and no emission controls at all.

Clarence 

[N201MKTurbo]

There are FT systems available that can turn the gas into liquids that can be sent down the pipe line. The systems are better then just burning it, but they release a lot of CO2 if that concerns you.

[bonal]

All the proof I need. Respect.

[AndyFromCB]

Well diesel VWs are not the only polluting. 16 ships burning bunker fuel pollute more than all the cars in the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

How about trains 18 wheelers and jet planes. And they don't get $11bn fines. I think the fine is excessive. The proper action is to recall the diesel VWs and fix the problem. Nobody has been injured because of this defect. BTW I always buy Ford cars. High reliable and durable. My Ford Explorer has over 200,000 miles and never had a problem with it.

José 

 

 

 

 

Here is the little description of what NOx does it all of us, enjoy. Acid rain alone is worth caring about, like I mentioned before, you all old folks and your sensitive lungs and hearts, I could not care less about ;- )

http://www.nchh.org/Portals/0/Contents/EPA_Nitrogen_Oxides.pdf

[carusoam]

The market is just getting a feel for the differences...

Higher MPG is not always more environmentally friendly.  More hp doesn't always mean low MPG.

The other thing the market is getting a feel for is, adjusting the car's programs to get the performance they are looking for with the ability to put it back before inspection.  The turbo Audi folks love their engine operations almost as much as a Mooney rocket owner!

there was a time when planes didn't have engine monitors and FF...

best regards,

-a-

 

Edited September 26, 2015 by carusoam

[jetdriven]

Mranwhile in Texas, "rolling coal" is s pretty normal event. 

[Guest]

Mranwhile in Texas, "rolling coal" is s pretty normal event. 

[Guest]

Definitely not LoP

Clarence

[N33GG]

There are FT systems available that can turn the gas into liquids that can be sent down the pipe line. The systems are better then just burning it, but they release a lot of CO2 if that concerns you.

CO2 feeds the trees in my plantations, which when harvested provide paper and wood products such as sawed lumber and OSB.  Probably the most important product is toilet paper.  And in return, my trees give off huge quantities of oxygen for us and animals to use.  It's a wonderful thing!