Adding TKS?

[johncruce223]

Does anyone know what the cost is? Assuming you have a 14V plane and only want ice protection, not know ice. 

 

Edit:

On a M20K. 

[carusoam]

Try this for some information...

http://mooneyspace.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=27616

Searching three letter words like ice, cav, or TKS doesn't work very well.

Weepingwings.com is the site for CAV...

https://www.caviceprotection.com

There have been some discussions regarding the price to add a system. There is also information regarding additional price and parts for FIKI.

My favorite was from one of the tksfluid.com guys....

http://www.tksfluid.com

Best regards,

-a-

[AndyFromCB]

60AMUs

[Guest]

Cheaper to buy it previously installed on someone else's aircraft.

Clarence

[Yooper Rocketman]

Does anyone know what the cost is? Assuming you have a 14V plane and only want ice protection, not know ice. 

 

Edit:

On a M20K. 

 

We (the mercy flight org I fly for) installed a FIKI system on a Bonanza a couple years ago and it was under $50k.  I can't imagine the non-FIKI sysem would run more than the mid 30's.  I've had a system ordered since early October for my project and still no delivery (or even a hard delivery date).  I asked to have everything but the panels shipped a couple weeks ago (which they DO have), but still haven't seen those parts yet either.  They are way behind in the UK building panels and already installed systems needing replacement panels take priority over new installs (well, other than production planes, which is where I think most of the attention is given).

[aviatoreb]

6 years ago when I was shopping for the plane I currently fly - this M20K I have came with the not FIKI TKS - I was also considering airplanes without - I called CAV and they said 32k I think it was for a no fiki install at that time.  The one I ended up getting had the tks already installed.

[AndyFromCB]

Prices have gone up about 2 years ago. They are the only game in town, most aircraft that were going to be converted have become converted. There no longer is any price difference between FIKI and non-FIKI Mooney and Bonanza installs and everything is $60K. Welcome to aviation.

[johncruce223]

I guess that covers it then. I just wanted to make an informed decision. I was hoping one of these low cost.. 60AMU 231's would be a good deal if I could add the TKS for 25AMU. I guess the minimum buy it price for a tks 231 is about 125AMU

[johncruce223]

I tried to search TKS but it doesn't let me... I don't like making a new post when it was already discussed.

[AndyFromCB]

I guess that covers it then. I just wanted to make an informed decision. I was hoping one of these low cost.. 60AMU 231's would be a good deal if I could add the TKS for 25AMU. I guess the minimum buy it price for a tks 231 is about 125AMU

 

Which is why I love when vRef adds 15AMUs for TKS.

[johncruce223]

That seems a little low. I would think you should recoup 50% of the installiation cost at least. 

[Yooper Rocketman]

Yes, the Vref value has always pissed me off.  How is it possible to have such a low number for that option considering the initial cost?  I even emailed Vref years ago complaining about the crazy number and they replied with some wimpy excuse why they use such a low number.  Clearly someone is not doing their job.

[Piloto]

Yes, the Vref value has always pissed me off.  How is it possible to have such a low number for that option considering the initial cost?  I even emailed Vref years ago complaining about the crazy number and they replied with some wimpy excuse why they use such a low number.  Clearly someone is not doing their job.

Not everyone is interested on having TKS. If you add the cost of the TKS your plane will be out of the market range and more difficult to sell. Unlike commercial planes that will loose money because unable to fly in icing conditions, such is not the case for Mooneys. You can always wait for non-icing conditions and don't loose money. And if you fly in Florida there is no need to add another $30K to 50K for a feature that decrease the payload by 100 pounds, added maintenance, speed decrease and you will never have a need for it. As for safety is nice if you have it but not a must, you can always fly above or around the clouds or wait for better conditions. Even the airlines have to delay or cancel flights due to weather.

José

[AndyFromCB]

Not everyone is interested on having TKS. If you add the cost of the TKS your plane will be out of the market range and more difficult to sell. Unlike commercial planes that will loose money because unable to fly in icing conditions, such is not the case for Mooneys. You can always wait for non-icing conditions and don't loose money. And if you fly in Florida there is no need to add another $30K to 50K for a feature that decrease the payload by 100 pounds, added maintenance, speed decrease and you will never have a need for it. As for safety is nice if you have it but not a must, you can always fly above or around the clouds or wait for better conditions. Even the airlines have to delay or cancel flights due to weather.

José

 

Yes and no, people who don't need TKS don't need TKS, so $15K, $30K or $60K is too much for them anyway. People who need TKS, really need TKS. Plus turbo and TKS just go hand in hand. 

 

As to payload loss, it's 40lb if you don't need the fluid in the summer but with turbo, summer can mean the worst icing anyway, so yes, let's call it 100lb.

[Piloto]

Andy, Here is my TKS dilemma. If I install a not FIKI TKS I would not be able to fly through those icing areas depicted on XM\WX and NOAA websites since I know there is icing. So for flight planning purpose there is no advantage over one that is not TKS equipped. Unless it is FIKI TKS. For $60K I can fly with no TKS for 1000hrs and an extra passenger onboard. Or with TKS have enough money left for polishing rags for the TKS.

José

[StinkBug]

I think you're missing the point though. It's an expensive option that's worth a lot of money for those who want/need it. If they are only valuing it at 1/4 the install cost then something is wrong. Whether you need it or not is beside the point. I don't NEED a lot of the things installed on my plane, but that does not make them worth less money.

 

That's like saying "well power windows in this car are a $5000 option, but my arm works fine at turning a crank so I should be able to get the power ones for $1000 since I don't really need them". 

[IndyTim]

CAV Aerospace wouldn't quote non-FIKI when I worked with them about a year ago. Only FIKI. Cost was $58k installed on an M20K.

[Danb]

Andy ..agreed..I encountered my worse icing conditions on a 95 degree day flying or trying to fly above 20-25 fl cums. Plus much of that icing is clear or mixed at best, always learn something, the clouds were rising so fast I forgot to change to 29.92,-and took some razing from Wash Center...snotty bunch..