N601RX Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 This TBM 700 is unresponsive and just passed over Cuba. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N900KN/history/20140905/1215Z/KROC/TADPO http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/05/us/norad-air-threat/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Quote
Mooneymite Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Check for blue fingernails..... Quote
Houman Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 well I got my Oximeters yesterday, they should have gotten them as well... It is very sad, it is probably similar to the Greek airlines accident many many years ago, they will fly on autopilot until they run out of fuel or hit something. Sad sad thing to watch happening... Quote
flyboy0681 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 It's sort of a Mooney, isn't it? Quote
carqwik Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Relatively new TBM 900...the "M" in the name is for Mooney... Quote
aviatoreb Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Oh my gosh that is tragic. I am not sure why it is so much more spooky when the pilot is dead but the plane keeps flying ghost using up the fuel with inevitable crash - but it is - you just wish the F15s could reach in and save the people. Payne Stuart. Quote
flyboy0681 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Oh my gosh that is tragic. I am not sure why it is so much more spooky when the pilot is dead but the plane keeps flying ghost using up the fuel with inevitable crash - but it is - you just wish the F15s could reach in and save the people. Payne Stuart. As Miles O'Brien just pointed out, an SR-22 met the same fate a few days ago, but not before flying through restricted DC airspace. Also seems the owner of the TBM was also the president of the TBM Owners Association. Quote
Mooneymite Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 The sad thing is that the autopilot has the capability of descending the aircraft to 10,000' if ATC had the ability to data-link such an "over-ride" command to the autopilot..... It would sure beat watching a "death flight" on flightaware. The autopilot on the jet I fly, has an emergency descent mode in the event of cabin depressurization. Quote
Joe Zuffoletto Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 This was posted on the Red Board. Pilot knew he had a problem and had to get down, but ATC couldn't get him down quickly enough. It's sad to hear his lucidity drop with every transmission. Click here for the ATC feed. Relevant portion begins at about 4:10. Around 8:30 he's clearly out of it. Quote
KSMooniac Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Crashed near Jamaica now.... really sad. Quote
flyboy0681 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 This was posted on the Red Board. Pilot knew he had a problem and had to get down, but ATC couldn't get him down quickly enough. It's sad to hear his lucidity drop with every transmission. Click here for the ATC feed. Relevant portion begins at about 4:10. Around 8:30 he's clearly out of it. The link is dead, but if I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like ATC delayed an emergency descent? Quote
Joe Zuffoletto Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 The link is dead, but if I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like ATC delayed an emergency descent? Try again. I had to twiddle with the link a couple times to get it to work. The pilot never declared an emergency, so Atlanta Center took their time getting him lower. In hindsight he clearly should have declared. Quote
KSMooniac Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 I got the link to work on the PC but not my phone. It is really sad to hear...he should've declared. Quote
flyboy0681 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Average time of useful consciousness at FL250 is three minutes. If he had taken a chamber class he would have known that and declared an emergency and treated it as such. What a shame. Let us watch as the deluge of television experts start their speculation. Quote
omega708 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Hypoxia is a real thing and it does bad things to your judgement. You can hear the urgency in his voice when he originally requests lower, but the subsequent calls get significantly worse. I did find it interesting that he requested "180" which is still WAY too high if you're having pressurization issues. Quote
flyboy0681 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Seems to me that ATC should be wise to the fact that if a pressurization problem is reported that the pilot's judgement may already be impaired to the point where they may not be thinking clearly. Here is another link http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kgso/ZTL-GSO-Sep-05-2014-1400Z.mp3 Quote
KSMooniac Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 I don't think he specifically mentioned pressurization issues, did he? In hindsight clearly that was the case, but I think he just said something wasn't right. (It's only been an hour or so since I listened, but I've already forgotten the specifics!) Quote
omega708 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 I don't think he specifically mentioned pressurization issues, did he? In hindsight clearly that was the case, but I think he just said something wasn't right. (It's only been an hour or so since I listened, but I've already forgotten the specifics!) He didn't mention pressurization and my assumption that he knew he needed lower for that reason isn't necessarily a good one. Quote
BorealOne Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 Damn. This is why we have the Emergency word. Quote
flyboy0681 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 What's interesting is that Center keeps calling him but does so every five minutes or so. No sense of urgency on anybody's part. Quote
aviatoreb Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 My understanding is since this was an emergency he can declare the emergency and descend now - and just declare that to ATC. It is chilling to hear this tape. I saw a brand spankin new TBM 900 at the dealership at KGON a few months ago. The president of the TBM owners association? Ugh. Where was the emergency O2 backup?! Clearly he was not instantly incapacitated. Does that airplane have some kind of ceiling quick access o2? Quote
aviatoreb Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 5000 hours in Type. Larry Glazier was an exceedingly qualified pilot. http://heavy.com/news/2014/09/larry-glazer-rochester-pilot-plane-crash-tbm-900/ Sounds like a great guy too. And with 3 children. Tragic. Quote
ArtVandelay Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 5000 hours in Type. Larry Glazier was an exceedingly qualified Sounds like a great guy too. And with 3 children. Tragic. There seems to be a point where pilots with lots of hours become over confident or complacent. Quote
Piloto Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 There is no indication on the Flightaware graph of the pilot attempting a descent. The cabin pressure indicator would have told him about the problem in time to start a descent. Another possibility is that he just lost consciousness due to stroke or heart attack. What ever it was nobody outside the plane could have helped. May they RIP. José 1 Quote
GeorgePerry Posted September 5, 2014 Report Posted September 5, 2014 http://download.aopa.org/asf/Air-Safety-Institute-Safety-Alert_Hypoxia.pdf Please disseminate to the widest possible audience. Quote
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