Mooney enters DC airspace

[flyboy0681]

 I had to get a new primary care provider since mine wasn't on the new list. 

 

 

You mean that if you liked your doctor you couldn't keep your doctor? I've never heard of that before.

[Mooneymite]

Up until recently, if you weren't employed, chances are you had no coverage. End of story.

 

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Up until recently, if you weren't employed, chances are you didn't get a paycheck.

 

It is interesting that the U.S. Park service doesn't want wild bears to get used to handouts by tourists because it makes them dependent on the handouts and then they can't care for themselves.  Perhaps the Park Service has uncovered a universal truth.

 

God permits hunger, cold, wet, disease and misery to encourage us to get off our rear-ends and do something with our lives.  Happily, big government insulates us from these incentives.

 

[flyboy0681]

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Up until recently, if you weren't employed, chances are you didn't get a paycheck.

 

It is interesting that the U.S. Park service doesn't want wild bears to get used to handouts by tourists because it makes them dependent on the handouts and then they can't care for themselves.  Perhaps the Park Service has unconvered a universal truth.

 

God permits hunger, cold, wet, disease and misery to encourage us to get off our rear-ends and do something with our lives.  Happily, big government insulates us from these incentives.

 

 

Your point is well taken, but there are millions who retire early that find themselves without coverage and then there are people like me that are self-employed that can't afford an individual policy. Those that have lost their jobs are given the option of COBRA, but the cost is usually prohibitive.

[Rhumbline]

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Up until recently, if you weren't employed, chances are you didn't get a paycheck.

 

It is interesting that the U.S. Park service doesn't want wild bears to get used to handouts by tourists because it makes them dependent on the handouts and then they can't care for themselves.  Perhaps the Park Service has unconvered a universal truth.

 

God permits hunger, cold, wet, disease and misery to encourage us to get off our rear-ends and do something with our lives.  Happily, big government insulates us from these incentives.

 

 

"The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest willing to let them." 

 

Robert Frost

 

This is drifting a bit, isn't it?

[flyboy0681]

This is drifting a bit, isn't it?

 

Maybe just a tad.

[John Pleisse]

To my Canadian bretheren..... I'll pass on healthcare for all, because in Canada, that means dying while waiting for your turn to have bypass surgery or 6 months for a mamogram. I think most people in the states view the V-A scandal and see it as a microcosm of what government-run healthcare really is and will likely become. Socialized medicine is a failure in every country that tries it. In Germany, they have now begun to reprivatize healthcare. It's coming full circle. Bottomline...healthcare costs money. In America, if we got rid of obesity, diabetes, immigration problems and a screwed up tort system, we'd have the lowest cost per patient in the world.

 

And on the above issue of insurance companies, the only thing worse than insurance companies that deny care and coverage for profit.......are insurance companies that deny care and coverage for profit, in collusion with the federal government.

[flyboy0681]

 Socialized medicine is a failure in every country that tries it. In Germany, they have now begun to reprivatize healthcare. It's coming full circle. Bottomline...healthcare costs money. In America, if we got rid of obesity, diabetes, immigration problems and a screwed up tort system, we'd have the lowest cost per patient in the world.

 

The UK and Canada are the only western countries with truly socialized medicine. All others provide universal coverage which is paid for through a combination of income taxes, individuals and employer contributions. Remember, in socialized medicine, every provider along the way is a government employee, from hospital workers to the physicians themselves.

 

In Germany, citizens are not assigned coverage but are required to purchase coverage through what they call a "sickness fund", which are available on the open market and must contain certain minimum benefits (sound familiar?). The premiums are paid for by a combination of the beneficiary and their employer. Those that earn under a certain amount or are retired are provided coverage by the government (sound familiar?) and those that earn more can opt out of the system and purchase their own plan through a private insurer. Make no mistake, Germany does not have socialized medicine and doctors practice there the same as they do here, either as part of a group or individually.

 

Lastly, the National Health System in England is hugely successful. Even the conservatives there have made a pledge to keep it and actually defended it when criticisms were made here that said the US with Obamacare would turn into a system similar to the NHS. Do people there wait for hip replacements, absolutely. Do they wait on care for life threatening conditions, no they don't.

 

The reason I know so much is because I'm in the industry and have studied healthcare delivery systems from around the world. And yes it's true that American's pay nearly twice as much for healthcare than any other western country and have worse outcomes and life expectancy.

[John Pleisse]

You are mincing terms and using strict definitions. Sweden, for instance, is a hybrid of socialized and "government run" healthcare. In Germany, they are shifting from the sickness fund to non profits. The government has always paid the overide. The national healthcare systems in Canada and England are burdensome to their economies and a thorn for their conservative parties. In fact, I personally found England's promotion of their healthcare system during the Olympic ceremonies to be utterly laughable. David Cameron introduced a bill to partially privatize the NHS, not long after he came to office.  In almost all of these countries, liberal immigration policy has been the x-factor for failure and will be for America. In most of the Eorpean nations, there is a move to provide universal healthcare to all undocumented illegals. In Sweden, it is national law.

 

In our V-A system, there are government employees and private employees working side by side. Saying one has to be an employee of the government to call a system socialized is unqualified. The question is, does the government set rates, collect and disperse funds, subsidize, control salaries and ration availability?

 

Privatize healthcare and ethically regulate it. That's all we need.

[flyboy0681]

You are mincing terms and using strict definitions. Sweden, for instance, is a hybrid of socialized and "government run" healthcare. 

Privatize healthcare and ethically regulate it. That's all we need.

 

No mincing, I used the word "truly" specifically. Sweden's hybrid doesn't classify as socialized by the mere use of the word "hybrid".

 

I've been up on the NHS' project to privatize their system and the challenges they have been going through. It's not quite the same as taking state run B.O.A.C. and transforming it into British Airways. 

 

I found your statement "Privatize healthcare and ethically regulate it. That's all we need." interesting because that's what we've had here for decades and don't think it worked well for all.

[John Pleisse]

So, because of dysfunctional regulation, a take over was necessary? The ACA, like immigration, equal pay, unemployment, Common Core and a host of other legislative and policy atrocities are not solutions to problems, but rather, illfated attempts at instituting "fairness", damn the consequences. Our healthcare and pharma industries are the best in the world. Obamacare will be an epic failure.

[flyboy0681]

So, because of dysfunctional regulation, a take over was necessary? The ACA, like immigration, equal pay, unemployment, Common Core and a host of other legislative and policy atrocities are not solutions to problems, but rather, illfated attempts at instituting "fairness", damn the consequences. Our healthcare and pharma industries are the best in the world. Obamacare will be an epic failure.

 

Notice nowhere did I say a complete takeover was necessary - and I still don't. Were changes required, yes. Was this the way to do it, no.

[John Pleisse]

We should all be unifying to stop the EPA from ruining GA..... this should be our concern.

[aviatoreb]

We should all be unifying to stop the EPA from ruining GA..... this should be our concern.

 

We could blame the EPA and it is their fault.  Or we could blame the FAA for not allowing the Gami drop in solution to be certified by now for goodness sake.  That would be fine too.

[aviatoreb]

We could blame the EPA and it is their fault.  Or we could blame the FAA for not allowing the Gami drop in solution to be certified by now for goodness sake.  That would be fine too.  And after all it is much more trendy to blame the FAA.

[PTK]

Soooo, LOP anyone?

[scottfromiowa]

The fact that "Change" has resulted in Canadians feeling "Better" about themselves in relation to the states makes me so happy. I think I will just go throw-up now...

[scottfromiowa]

Go Canada Go!

[flyboy0681]

Go Canada Go!

 

I've been to Canada many times and it is one great, beautiful country. Too bad it's not switched around with Mexico, it would be great to take in the sun, sand and surf on a Canadian beach and not have to worry about drinking the water, among other things.

[aviatoreb]

I've been to Canada many times and it is one great, beautiful country. Too bad it's not switched around with Mexico, it would be great to take in the sun, sand and surf on a Canadian beach and not have to worry about drinking the water, among other things.

 

Nice clean drinking water in Canada.  Lots of clean water.

[Hank]

Nice clean drinking water in Canada.  Lots of clean water.

Just not many sunbathing tourists . . . Hence his request to flip-flop our healthy but frigid northern neighbor with the sunny, not-so-healthy mañana neighbor to the south. It's an interesting idea. Where is Harry Turtledove when you need him?

[aviatoreb]

Just not many sunbathing tourists . . . Hence his request to flip-flop our healthy but frigid northern neighbor with the sunny, not-so-healthy mañana neighbor to the south. It's an interesting idea. Where is Harry Turtledove when you need him?

 

Believe it or not.....  I have been a sunbathing tourist to Canada myself!

 

Once about 6 or 7 years ago my sister in Chicago had the brilliant idea that we should meet "in the middle somewhere" which worked out to somewhere in the middle of Ontario.  So based on the geographic center - we picked some sleepy little town on Lake Huron in Ontario, which was "known for its white sand beaches".  So that's where we (incl her husband and 4 kids and my wife and our three kids) met.  You know what - it wasn't so bad - it was a standard beach town with t-shirt shops, ice cream shops, etc, and yes white sand beaches.  It was a heat wave so I think it touched 90F.  (august) The water was cold but the air was warm.

 

The scary part is - that was South - that is SW of where we live.

[Guest]

Scott,

Sorry to hear that you're ill. I'd recommend large quantities of cool refreshing Canadian water followed by a long soak in the sun bathed beaches along the Lake Huron coast at Grand Bend Ontario.

In no time you'll be feeling up to flying again!!

Clarence

[scottfromiowa]

I have reached my max likes today Clarence....LIKE...to your post

No disrespect to Canada. My illness is that you (Canada) are smacking us down. MY GOVERNMENT is what makes me ill.

Northern Wisconsin and U.P. are as far up der as I go by golly. I would come up there to Grouse hunt if you could get your gun laws squared away.

[John Pleisse]

Anyway...back to the EPA.

[Marauder]

Anyway...back to the EPA.

Better yet, let's get back to the original topic... And WHOMEVER did this, thank you for making this the focal point of my BFR yesterday. Just loved answering questions on a place I don't have and never will have a burning desire to visit.

On the positive side, in my "prep" for the BFR I actually knew something that "stumped the chump". On June 15th the ingress/egress from Leesburg no longer requires a SFRA flight plan. Just squawking the 1226 code.

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