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My 1967 M20 E has arrived. I have been working to get the plane for over 8 months. This plane was purchased from an estate, so it was tied up with two attorneys and a judge. But that’s another story. I want to mention the amazing people I met through MooneySpace. I had gone out to Reno NV to get the plane and bring it back to Altoona Pennsylvania over my Christmas holiday. Because of a shipping problem with UPS they did not deliver the propeller till it was too late to meet my return deadline and I was forced to fly back on a commercial airline. I posted a forum Ferry Delivery Pilot??My plane is left in Nevada I did not have much hope, but after dinner I checked back and there were numerous replies. My insurance company was setting the requirements, and really wanted a high time, instructor, IFR Mooney pilot. I got an email from Charlie Davies while he was overseas, who casually stated, “I’ll do it no problem.” Well, I was curious as to how he would do this, when he was in China. His Mooney Space name is Charlesual which I interpreted as Charlie Casual. So I asked for a little bio background ; “ I been flying since college, bush pilot in Alaska, ski, floats, then turbines, jets, and now I fly a 777 from Dulles to China, right over the north pole.” He has over 25,000 hours and he owns a Mooney, his second one. It then hit me it was not Charlie Casual, but Charles UAL as in United Airlines. I thought, he should meet the requirements the insurance company wants. When I voiced this he said he would reach out to the insurance company and verify it was approved. He did it all. The next day my insurance sent an email verifying this. He is from Leesburg VA which is close by, a couple hours’ drive, 30 minutes by Mooney. I could not go, but he said he would take his daughter along for the experience. She is a pilot too, as well as his wife Kelly. So they went. Kelly would send me reports, flight plans and updates as it progressed. On day one they met with my mechanic in Minden NV, and did some testing and worked out some bugs getting everything finished up, transponder certified, Charlie did the test flight over the airport. It was a while since this plane flew, so was worried. Day two they took off and shot across the United States like a rocket, but it is just a 20E. Charlie sent me pictures as they flew. They stayed over in Liberal Kansas, half way. I was at work and on my break I watched FlightRadar24 with envy as they trekked eastward. Day three they continued over some IFR weather, VRF on top and finished up into Leesburg before I was done with work. If you count the nights in a hotel, there are only two. It was an amazing efficient trip. The weather was great on Saturday so he flew it up to Altoona, AOO. Then he said lets fly it together, so I flew for two hours, stalls, turns, pattern work and landings, cross wind landings, and then I flew with Kelly, also an airline pilot and CFI. I am not ready to fly out of the pattern yet, I have to master landings. So I drove them home to Leesburg, missed the turn and just about went all the way to Harrisonburg. So that’s part of my story of my amazing adventure. Even though I could not make the flight across the US, I felt every minute of it. My picture in the corner, the avatar, is a picture Charlie took over the southern Rockies. My adventure was meeting these fabulous aviation enthusiasts. Charlie and his wife Kelly are aviation people; they are mentors to others and wanted nothing but the experience and to help out another Mooney pilot. So, as you all know, if you need something there are extremely talented people on MooneySpace. I think if I need another ferry pilot or anything else, I can give a shout out to Charlie Davies. I now had about three hours in the plane. I am very pleased , of course It needs work and paint. Many adventures are to come . Thanks you Carl

If you asked me ask these questions, I would walk away. You would drive me nuts. Let a good mechanic figure out the health of the bird. Let the owner tell you what they like about their plane and its history. At the end of the day it is still a business transaction but for some owners the reason they are selling is the loss of their medical. It is an emotional time for them and you need to be sensitive to this.

I'm so humbled to be able to enjoy working with such an amazing crowd here at Mooneyspace.!! When you think about what we've got here, it's very unique indeed. I refer to it as tapped in. I'm always impressed how many talented and thought provoking people show up and willing to share their gifts. It's synergistic to say the least. I helped Carl but he allowed me to strengthen the. bonds with my wife and daughter. The vehicle was Mooneyspace and a sweet M20E. That's the kind of stuff that happens here all the time. Thank-you Carl and thank-you Mooneyspace. Charlie Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I was talking to a Hartzell technician about this just the other day. "Avoid Continuous Operation" means you can traverse the red zone but don't let the needle stop. Cruise, landing, whatever. Keep the needle moving until you get out.

And now we have entered reality! People trying to force their beliefs on others, that's my whole point. Accountability is not a belief, grow up and take care of yourself and stop forcing the burden on others. You're parents being idiots and incapable of raising you properly is nothing but an excuse to feel entitled.

It is the O-man's life long dream is to forever be encapsulated in a democrat-liberal-Reagan-esque' version of his legacy. "Idint'" gonna happen. The parallels are amazing. Star Wars/Obamacare. Bankrupting us leaving the next party holding the bag. Nobody is grumpy......just a wide grin ear to ear, watching it all implode before our eyes. Bad policy, is bad policy. Doesn't matter who you are.

A local dentist, serial owner of 3 or 4 Mooneys, was adamant that I needed to give my plane a name. What's that all about? To each his own I guess... there are people who like cats.

The only question I'd ask you is, "has this plane been in annual since hauling any fat chicks?" I don't think your logs would cover that.

Find you cheapest quote to get each job done, and then multiply by three to get the job done correctly. John Breda

I have about 6 hours on the jewell aviation, kennet mo overhaul. http://www.jewellaviation.com/overhauls.htm. Anyway, I went with Sam and David Jewell because I wanted a high quality overhaul but didn't see the value in spending another 5k on a large shop that has higher overhead. Sam is probably in his mid 60s and has been overhauling engines most his life and pretty much dedicates all of his time to overhauls. We elected not to replace cylinders because Sam said all the barrels still met factory new specs! I was surprised as many of you know how hard I run! He said he would be happy to supply new but since I keep the CHTs under 380 degrees, the heads probably won't developed cracks and will most likely make it until the next overhaul cycle. He did want to replace exhaust valves, guides and hone up some pitting, which was a result of the previous owner letting the plane sit some. The price for this overhaul was $16,100 and it included overhauled mag with new harness, fuel servo overhaul, fuel pump, oil pump gear, new Pistons and rings which he balanced and bearings and a bunch of other stuff. I posted these pics before but it obvious quality is top of these folks minds: I almost ordered a factory motor, but literally hours before I was going to place the order with airpower I had a conversation with a guy who had 2 overhauls on his twin continental powered bird from Jewell aviation. He never had any issues and told me that Sam and David Jewell are "straight shooters". The rest is history. I was glad not to do business with lycoming as the factory lycoming cam shaft I had failed after 2 years and 400 hours, the factory reps at Oshkosh were to busy talking to each other and left me waiting for 20 mins and I don't care for they way they treated my friend who has a factory motor that's in warranty that's making metal. I went with remfg/reground cam and lifters since Buldoc and Jewell avaition both said they have had significant problems with factory parts. I really didn't want to go this route but after I had a factory cam fail, and to top it off lycoming told me they don't have cam failure issues! Both shops told me they would be glad to install factory parts and there really wasn't much of a up charge either, so it wasn't about money. The theory is that if a cam and lifters make one engine cycle there a proven part and can be used again. The parts came from ASL. I met with ASL at Oshkosh and they talked to me for 45 min and taught me a lot about the re-man business. The only cam and lifters they use are ones that require less than three thousands cleaning up and then they even put them back though a re-hardening process, similar to the factories, but with a claimed higher quality control process. It wasn't a easy decision, nor was it money motivated, time will tell. The engine when inspected showed it was presided well and honed beautifully. So how did it run? Purrrrrrs. We also added a power flow exhaust so I'm not sure which contributed to the increased performance but when I ran a 4 way gps speed test at 6,500ft it turned out 167kts! This is after 6 hours so it very well may improve....maybe not. It seems I've picked up about another 100ft per min in the climb and it's almost impossible to get the egts in to the 1500 range. Now it's a given that there is some variation in mounting probes but as far as I can tell there in almost the exact same spot. On average egts are down 60-70 degrees, which I believe is a function of the power flow exhaust. The power flow system routes all exhaust stacks into a collective 4 where the mooney muffler basically pressurized a can and I believe this makes it more restrictive so the cylinders don't evacuate as much exhaust so why the exhaust does leave the cylinder it's hotter. That's why I believe the egts show cooler. Chts are also cooler by about 30-40 degrees and if more exhaust is getting out it might lower the chts as there wouldn't be as much heat contained in the cylinder. The other interesting thing is I ran 50 degrees Rop for about 5 mins at full throttle 26" at 2500 rpm and the hottest the chts would get is 360. We didn't change any baffles, left the cowl doors in the same position too but prior to the power flow system I'd be at 380-410 depending on OAT...the day I ran this test it was at 18c at altitude. I never run 50 Rop but I wanted to see if I could actually get the temps up, and I couldn't. I think this power flow is a nice system....although at 4, expensive. So it's my opinion but I think the speed increase is more of a function of the power flow exhaust, but not sure. Anyways I'd like to hear others thoughts.

Saturday was my birthday and my best friend came over to hang out for a while. We ended up taking the Mooney up for a quick tour of San Diego. The weather was absolutely beautiful, in the high 70's, but the winds were 070 which is completely opposite of normal so I got to take off and land on RWY6 at CRQ for the first time. Even the controllers were getting it mixed up. So used to saying 24 all the time that they had to correct my landing clearance, and the ATIS recording still said 24 as well. It was a lot of fun though, and we even spotted a group of whales off the coast of La Jolla. They didn't show up in the video that well, but we had a great view.

Oh looky.....2.6% GDP....God, it felt like at least 5% to me.

!!!!!!! What's the useful load? !!!!!!!! It can vary from 850 to just over 1000 lbs. When we were looking, we were not interested unless it was at least 950 lbs regardless of how nice it was. That extra 100 lbs can make a difference of 17 gallons of fuel you can carry for any given pax/bag load. In the J that's enough to fly 280 nm. If you are just looking for a 2 seat airplane, don't worry about it. Bob

Look up Parker Woodruff on this site and ask him... it should be easy to get you an estimate.

Bob, it's not about engine power, it is about harmonics. You can read about it at: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070619132438AAJJFTG The actual restriction is contained in the Propeller Type Certificate. You need your Hub model (e.g. C2YR-....) , blade model (e.g. F7666), and engine (e.g. O-360-A1D). For Hartzell, go to http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/802f367a21c7e7fc86257d00004d5d82/$FILE/P-920_Rev_34.pdf and look up your information in the table. Bob, there are some combinations that take MP in to consideration, but on my C the restriction is RPM range based. Period.

Thank you for an entertaining thread...

Might as well clean, gap and rotate the spark plugs. New spark plug gaskets Gap gauge Anti seize Contact cleaner for the spark plug leads Spark plug socket 3/4" wrench for leads

Wrench for removal of filter. Wrench for oil drain plug unless you have a quick drain Hose for quick drain and something to catch oil in. Plastic zip lock bag or some other method to avoid dripping oil all over. Wire cutter to get old safety wire off. Knife or other method to cut filter material for exam. Depending on your hangar floor, carpet pad, creeper or other method to avoid crawling around on floor. Come to RBD and I will walk you through it. My plane is down at the avionics shop, so my hangar is open.

I think if I operated off turf bladders would be to only way to go. It think personally it's what ever makes you feel comfortable with the plane me personably I will do strip and seal.

It sounds like you have a great list of questions. I think the feedback you were getting was on whether to directly ask the seller those questions. In many cases there might be better, more reliable sources to get those answers.

Day 8 was from Trinidad to St Vincent. The takeoff and early part of the direct IFR flight were uneventful. We bypassed Grenada by filing direct GPS. We watched the sun set over Grenada as we continued on track. However, approaching the Grenadines, the cloud deck forced me lower. Since St. Vincent does not have an instrument approach, I elected to proceed VFR below the clouds. They pushed us lower and lower so we had to dodge around the island mountain tops of the Grenadines. And with lowered visibility, St. Vincent was still not in sight. With the sun setting, it was getting darker and darker when we finally spotted the island. In twilight, I made am upwind landing on the sloping runway. There was no chance for a go around because of quickly rising terrain. It was dark by the time we taxied off the runway. This was one of the toughest legs of the journey and there weren't many alternative options as night was setting in. My only backup plan was to climb IFR and return to Trinidad.

It's not what she said, it's how she said it. It's one thing to have ideas, it's another to be able to implement coherently. Maybe it's the elitist in me speaking but I've read up on her governorship in Alaska and she managed to piss everyone off, left, right and center and left a giant mess while focusing on petty little personal revenge. Everyone has ideas but execution is the key and she simply lacks the intellect to implement anything she stands for. As much as I dislike Mit's politics, he is a fine example of an executive. BTW, back to cars for a little bit. I test drove a new Mustang GT yesterday and I am absolutely in love. What an amazing American car. It handles beautifully without losing that muscle car feel.

How about by doing what I have done...by living within your means! There is no mystery to it. Work hard and save. No big fancy vacation. Save. No eating out. Save. No big fancy new car. Save. No Big fancy house. Save. No hanging at the bar. Save. No going to concerts, sporting events. Save. No having a bunch of kids.... No credit card debt. No lottery tickets. No cigarettes. No tatoos. No fancy cloths. No smart phone. No satellite. No cable. That's how. Life has consequences. I made a lot of sacrifices. Don't come to "Big Government" expecting deliverance. Go out and work, save and watch your savings grow... Or just say "I deserve it"...Like the Federal government does every single frickin' day... and live for the moment instead of planing for the future.

I don't vote Republican...I vote for the most Conservative candidate.

This is correct, because faith guides us through our daily lives. Atheist antagonism is not a seat at the table of fellowship, equal religious freedom, citizenship and worship, but instead a place where the angry, damaged and malcontent among us end up. The people I pray for. Please spell Catholicism correctly and capitalized if you could, please.

I would probably change a few of your questions: "If the logs are on a digital format" to "Can I get a copy of the logs" "How many hours she has been flown since you've owned her" Easy enough for a guesstimate answer, but I would change it to "How long have you owned the plane" "was she a local plane when you bought her" to "Has the plane been kept in a hanger? Did the previous owner hanger the plane? What part of the country has the plane been kept in?" "known major squawks taken care of (337's needed)" and "any squawks in the last year" to "Does everything work on the plane? Is anything in-op? Anything with flaky behavior?" I would skip list of SB completed --The logs will tell you why they bought the plane --I don't know why this would matter. and what their last few annuals cost them. --The logs will tell you what was done. I would add Does it have any damage history? And when you have found one you like, get the FAA CD. It will have all the 337s that are on file. I've found this to be very informative, particularly when you find a 337 for a belly skin and the prop log shows a new prop replacement in the same time frame. --Amazingly, the current owner may not have realized a previous owner had a gear up in the plane. In my previous plane I discovered it had an auto gas stc, and another for flying around with out the doors on. The current owner had no clue.

Ever noticed that when a conservative is in power, he/she always forgets the platform he/she got elected on, and keeps on spending away our tax money and borrowing form China and claiming "deficits don't matter"...

Mr. McKenna: In terms of enjoying a non-combative atmosphere for this sale (which should really be a happy exchange of dollars for a Mooney), you may wish to allow the sources of your information to come from the following - as noted for each of your questions. Of course if NO exchange of dollars for anything can be satisfying to you at all - you are in line to join the CB club - but your purchase is going to be that much more traumatic Ask the Seller: If the logs are on a digital format what modifications have you done since owning the plane what shops have you used for annuals/other service or maintenance does the plane have any fuel leaks, seeps or full-on leaks any squawks in the last year why they bought the plane why they are selling the plane and what their last few annuals cost them Get the PPI Mechanic to determine: is there any known corrosion does the plane have any fuel leaks, seeps or full on leaks list of SB completed what type of overhaul was done last field/factory/name brand shop known major squawks taken care of (337's needed) Look at the logs to determine How many hours she has been flown since you've owned her How many hours flown in the last 5 years 2 years and the last year has the plane ever been treated with anti corrosion has she ever been out of annual ever been serviced at an MSC Don't know why you might ask was she a local plane when you bought her Just my 0.02. Good luck

Most of the ?s you asked can be answered by looking in the logs

Too bad you missed the meetup we just had at SMO. You could have checked out a whole variety of Mooneys. I think we had a B, a C, an S, and one more that showed up by chance.

You can buy used medical bottles on ebay for cheap. Sadly the people who use them don't last to long. The medical bottles don't have the correct valve for the aviation regulators, but you can change it for not much money. The valve you need is made by Sherwood. After you get the bottle, take it to your local cylinder shop that does hydro inspections and tell them what valve you want, they probably have it in stock, or they know how to get it. They will inspect and re-certify the bottle with the new valve. Then you are good to go! You can do all this for less then half of what you would pay for a new bottle from an aviation company.

There is no regulation about keeping any log book, but most owners maintain an engine log book, an airframe logbook and a propeller log book.

Here's some excitement. My 05 v6 Honda accord has 91k miles and I've changed the oil 3 times since it was new. Blackstone got the last sample with 33k on it and they said it was still serviceable. Synthetic oil. Of course it can't carry lead so it's uses in aircraft is limited. But the stuff lasts forever in a car. Even when it hits the rev limiter twice a day.

The Washington Times? Pretty much the mouthpiece of the Unification Church - aka the 'Moonies'. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

AndyFromCB, on 29 Jan 2015 - 7:17 PM, said: It's like I keep seeing the same Subaru or Prius drive by me with the same damn bumper stickers. Clearly this must be your "Throw Back Thursday" post.

That is a tiny bottle, but I wouldn't worry about that. You can get medical bottles on EBAY for very cheap. Have the cylinder shop change out the medical valve for the straight CGA 540. About $50 bucks for the whole thing.

You have the patience of Job...have another beer.

Do you have the wheels down?

You guys mke me sick with envy... Still North of $13 up here in Scotland....just under $8 in France though...

Owning an airplane is a great way to turn a big pile of money into a small pile of money...but what is money for?

Everything but the house is paid for and that will come in time, I still have too many cause there is always DMV and insurrance to keep on top of my problem is I HATE selling stuff cause you have to deal with low ballers and prop heads and the like so I keep everything.

And so the saga continues... Test flight/ferry to Cody for prop: The PC system now works FLAWLESSLY! I am very excited! Thank you Jerry at Brittain Industries (and my IA) for all your help! The engine idles MUCH smoother since the intake gaskets no longer leak. Shortly after leaving my home airport this morning to get the prop done with Cody, the altimeter decides that is a great time to take a dump. When I say, "take a dump" I mean it! Flying at 2000ft, the altimeter snaps, spins about 12 times and stops at FL280. Now, I know Mooneys have pretty good performance, but FL280 might be pushing it a little Since the altimeter IS the encoder, ATC also shows me at FL280. ATC asks, "what do you want to do?" I tell them, I guess I better go see Dave at The Avionics Place. Dave is presently doing surgery on my plane. New altimeter and encoder. Goodbye 1.3 AMU's! Ahhh well, it's only money anyway. The good thing about this; it happened VERY close to my home airport. Could have given out around KSTL. I really wouldn't have been happy then! I need a beer... Cheers!

So why not provide a catastrophic high deductible plan? People can afford to pay for a broken arm...Breast cancer, not so much. I want some skin in the game for all be it grants to go to school or healthcare. Gas tax burden for roads is paid for by all that use. "Free" is just not what I believe the United States was built on.

The mooney has pretty much taken care of my sports car itch. I sold my last sports car a few years ago. Now I drive an F-150 pickup.

Hi had the pleasure to fly in an F with Culver LFA last weekend and really enjoyed the ride. I sat in the back seat while still on the ground and it seemed very roomy and comfortable. I'm definitely leaning towards buying an F. I'm trying to find one with a 430W and an autopilot in the 40-50k range. If anybody knows of one for sale, especially in the southeast, please let me know. Thanks!

Unmodified M-20C 2300X23" 8.2 GPH .21 Mach.

The trouble of running a tank dry are multitude: 1) lateral imbalance 2) no way of switching tank in event of fuel emergency on the other side - water, blockage etc. 2) prolong side slip may cut off the fuel when the tank is extremely low I was taught not to trust the gauges! They can fail and they are also not very precise. I was trained with fuel stick and fuel stick only really. To me a dip in the tank beats any sophisticated gauges any day! Besides, a very precise fuel quantity is required for my training. What if your CFI ask you to plan the other way round - how much fuel can you carry after you fill the seats, which is the usual commercial procedure! I dont think any charter company works the other way round! Fill the tank then ask the paid pax that he can't fly because of the weight!

Its part aerodynamics and part fuel injection is more efficient than a carbureted engine. I'd love to see an M20C with an IO-360-L2A engine on it. Its an 180HP parallel valve engine exactly like the C, but with fuel injectors in the cylinders. Its pretty efficient, and long-lived. Better than the angle-valve engines in my opinion.