Mooney Assurance Update

[Echo]

5 hours ago, MikeOH said:

@EricJ

Here's an example of what we are talking about:

Guy wants to have his buddies over to watch the Super bowl but his TV is too small.  So, he heads over to Walmart and BUYS a 100" big screen, takes it home and he and his buddies watch the game. Next day he takes it back for a refund.  Now, the store CANNOT sell it as new; open box special is probably the best they can do.  But, hey, this guy doesn't care about that.

I just can’t imagine justifying the behavior because the company “doesn’t treat employees fairly/pay them adequately” (in his mind) as justification for despicable behavior. Then calls people that call his awful behavior out “WalMart simps”. WTF, over.  He will never “get it”. He will rationalize all day long and call us the bad people. F that. What a douche. 

[IvanP]

This thead reminds me of another person with questionnable ethics who openly bragged on another forum about stealing accessories from courtesy cars that Mercedes used to provide to customers while their cars were in the shop (maybe they still do, I have not been to a dealer for a while). He used similar justification for his conduct - Mercedes is charging arm and a leg for their parts and service and thus it was OK to steal stuff from thier courtesy cars. 

This type of behavior just f^%$# things up for everyone. 

Edited January 14 by IvanP

[Ragsf15e]

This thread is a dumpster fire.

[N201MKTurbo]

12 minutes ago, Ragsf15e said:

This thread is a dumpster fire.

Boxes or restaurant garbage?

[Ragsf15e]

1 minute ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Boxes or restaurant garbage?

Id say restaurant.  Someone dumped the fry oil in it too.

[Bartman]

1 hour ago, Ragsf15e said:

This thread is a dumpster fire.

Yeah, people can't resist the bait.

[201Steve]

I’ve used the rental at full price from Napa several times. 
 

NEVER RETURNED ONE even if that was the original intent.

Because… one never knows when you might be needing it on a Sunday night. Inconvenience you from completing a job (TERRIBLY PAINFUL). Tools are fun. Multiple sets even funner, and I’m not a poor.  Life is good. Tools are good. 

[Jackk]

12 hours ago, 201Steve said:

I’ve used the rental at full price from Napa several times. 
 

NEVER RETURNED ONE even if that was the original intent.

Because… one never knows when you might be needing it on a Sunday night. Inconvenience you from completing a job (TERRIBLY PAINFUL). Tools are fun. Multiple sets even funner, and I’m not a poor.  Life is good. Tools are good. 

 Cheap tools are very expensive 

 

 Championing for “what’s right” when it comes to walmart is lol worthy 

Edited Friday at 03:43 PM by Jackk

[TangoTango]

12 hours ago, 201Steve said:

I’ve used the rental at full price from Napa several times. 
 

NEVER RETURNED ONE even if that was the original intent.

Because… one never knows when you might be needing it on a Sunday night. Inconvenience you from completing a job (TERRIBLY PAINFUL). Tools are fun. Multiple sets even funner, and I’m not a poor.  Life is good. Tools are good. 

100% agree. I've never regretted the purchase of a quality tool. In fact, I like to joke around the house "he who dies with the most tools wins." It's only kind of a joke. 

[Jackk]

27 minutes ago, TangoTango said:

100% agree. I've never regretted the purchase of a quality tool. In fact, I like to joke around the house "he who dies with the most tools wins." It's only kind of a joke. 

You find many quality tools at walmart?

[1980Mooney]

On 1/16/2026 at 9:42 AM, Jackk said:

You find many quality tools at walmart?

What is the deal with you and "walmart/Wally World/Walmart"?  You have been going on about them since page 1....back when the topic was about LASAR Assurance Program and the future of Mooney parts....

[Jackk]

1 hour ago, 1980Mooney said:

What is the deal with you and "walmart/Wally World/Walmart"?  You have been going on about them since page 1....back when the topic was about LASAR Assurance Program and the future of Mooney parts....

 Re read what I wrote, what others have wrote and you’ll have your answer.  
 

 You got the ADHD?

[Hank]

1 hour ago, 1980Mooney said:

What is the deal with you and "walmart/Wally World/Walmart"?  You have been going on about them since page 1....back when the topic was about LASAR Assurance Program and the future of Mooney parts....

Apparently his position is that it's acceptable practice to abuse those whom you don't respect. 

21 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 Re read what I wrote, what others have wrote and you’ll have your answer.  
 

 You got the ADHD?

Yeah, like this.

[Shadrach]

2 hours ago, Hank said:

Apparently his position is that it's acceptable practice to abuse those whom you don't respect. 

Yeah, like this.

I feel like maybe there’s one guy with multiple profiles bringing the antagonism. There are two specific member profiles whose content is almost entirely made up of argumentative, disrespectful and belittling replies.

I’ve seen them go after each other…mirror images of douchebaggery.

 

[Jackk]

4 hours ago, Hank said:

Apparently his position is that it's acceptable practice to abuse those whom you don't respect. 

Yeah, like this.

 You’re close, I think it’s fully acceptable to treat others as they treat you.

 

 As a American tax payer walmart “abuses” the heck out of me.

[Justin Schmidt]

3 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 You’re close, I think it’s fully acceptable to treat others as they treat you.

 

 As a American tax payer walmart “abuses” the heck out of me.

Show me on the doll where the big bad corporation hurt you

[Jackk]

52 minutes ago, Justin Schmidt said:

Show me on the doll where the big bad corporation hurt you

 Ok

 

 That would be my bank account, all the stupid taxes I pay, as my tax dollars prop up walmarts junk model of “paying” their army of “part time” workers 

 

 Second would be some folks I know who’s business were shutdown by the government during COVID, complete with armed agents of the state who would use up to lethal force to keep their business closed, as at the same time they stood guard at the local wally worlds 

 

 Some don’t get this, but loss of a business and income often = divorce = depression, kids not being able to do the same activities,  etc 

 

 To reiterate f’ walmart with a cactus 

 

 So yeah, if I need a floor jack, one that’ll probably fail after 6-12mo if I kept it, I’ll buy it and take it back where the underpaid worker will gladly take it back even after I describe how I used it and now want my money back.

Edited Sunday at 04:11 AM by Jackk

[Justin Schmidt]

4 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 Ok

 

 That would be my bank account, all the stupid taxes I pay, as my tax dollars prop up walmarts junk model of “paying” their army of “part time” workers 

 

 Second would be some folks I know who’s business were shutdown by the government during COVID, complete with armed agents of the state who would use up to lethal force to keep their business closed, as at the same time they stood guard at the local wally worlds 

 

 Some don’t get this, but loss of a business and income often = divorce = depression, kids not being able to do the same activities,  etc 

 

 To reiterate f’ walmart with a cactus 

 

 So yeah, if I need a floor jack, one that’ll probably fail after 6-12mo if I kept it, I’ll buy it and take it back where the underpaid worker will gladly take it back even after I describe how I used it and now want my money back.

So your taxes do prop up Walmart.  Like every business that exists in this country,  tax cuts are given to attract businesses to an area, mostly if not exclusively from the lical level. That's a political issue. Their model of paying employees,  you mean employees entering an employment relationship of their own free will and getting paid unlike Europe a few hundred years ago, or currently since they get paid far less than the US and far more taxes.

The shutdowns were politics, not sure walmart directed agents to shutdown businesses. I know many businesses that refused.

Divorces happen for all sorts of reasons, i know first hand. Again not sure walmart is on that reason list.

Tools even from "high end" places like mac fail, almost crushed by a failed part. Again not sure walmart is to blame there either. Sounds more like the consumers choose.

Remind me never to lend you something,  you sound like a joy of a person to deal with. I picture you with a karen haircut.

[Jackk]

57 minutes ago, Justin Schmidt said:

So your taxes do prop up Walmart.  Like every business that exists in this country,  tax cuts are given to attract businesses to an area, mostly if not exclusively from the lical level. That's a political issue. Their model of paying employees,  you mean employees entering an employment relationship of their own free will and getting paid unlike Europe a few hundred years ago, or currently since they get paid far less than the US and far more taxes.

The shutdowns were politics, not sure walmart directed agents to shutdown businesses. I know many businesses that refused.

Divorces happen for all sorts of reasons, i know first hand. Again not sure walmart is on that reason list.

Tools even from "high end" places like mac fail, almost crushed by a failed part. Again not sure walmart is to blame there either. Sounds more like the consumers choose.

Remind me never to lend you something,  you sound like a joy of a person to deal with. I picture you with a karen haircut.

 Simping for walmart ain’t a good look

 

So no, I know of no small business that accepts food stamps while abusing the part time system and having employees who themselves are on food stamps, let alone to the scale of walmart, soooo let’s kabash that nonsense  

 

 Entering on their own free will?  Really?  Do you get how human needs work and the demographic who ends up at walmart?

Its free will, I mean like you could always live under a tarp under the overpass lol

 

You think “politics” gets you a free pass?  Straight up police forced small business to shutdown and fail, same police stood guard at walmarts, it is what it is 

 

Most say it’s “love” but real world the cash stops and the love will soon follow in 90% of modern marriages, lest we get into the outcome demographics of kids from fatherless homes and the trend of family courts 

 

You saying the build quality of Wally World tools is even in the same galaxy as something off the Mac truck, or even old yardsale craftsmans?  You use tools much?

 

 Lol, I’m a great guy, leave stuff better than I found it, I’ll go out of my way to help those deserving even when it comes with some expense, but I’m not a door mat and I don’t forget.  I see who my friends are, who makes my community better, and I see the ones taking advantage of my community and who the victimizers are, and I act accordingly. 

[Justin Schmidt]

39 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 Simping for walmart ain’t a good look

 

So no, I know of no small business that accepts food stamps while abusing the part time system and having employees who themselves are on food stamps, let alone to the scale of walmart, soooo let’s kabash that nonsense  

 

 Entering on their own free will?  Really?  Do you get how human needs work and the demographic who ends up at walmart?

Its free will, I mean like you could always live under a tarp under the overpass lol

 

You think “politics” gets you a free pass?  Straight up police forced small business to shutdown and fail, same police stood guard at walmarts, it is what it is 

 

Most say it’s “love” but real world the cash stops and the love will soon follow in 90% of modern marriages, lest we get into the outcome demographics of kids from fatherless homes and the trend of family courts 

 

You saying the build quality of Wally World tools is even in the same galaxy as something off the Mac truck, or even old yardsale craftsmans?  You use tools much?

 

 Lol, I’m a great guy, leave stuff better than I found it, I’ll go out of my way to help those deserving even when it comes with some expense, but I’m not a door mat and I don’t forget.  I see who my friends are, who makes my community better, and I see the ones taking advantage of my community and who the victimizers are, and I act accordingly. 

Simping, lol. Haven't walked in a Walmart in 20 years. I just don't blame others for my failings.

I know far more mom and pop places that accept welfare AND abuse their workers. People tend to get their comeuppance.

Yes everyone has free will where they work, unless you are in most African nations, china, north Korea.  Also, minimal skills, minimal pay. From a young age everyone has their own destiny in their hands. However. Not sure why you keep bringing your chip on your shoulder here. Go to therapy or check yourself into an institution,  you sound unhinged.

Yes quality is virtually the same for majority of all things in this country,  either they or the materials come from only a few places. No, not talking about old gramps tools. No not saying current quality is that good. Again, the consumers determined that.

Perhaps, stop worrying about others and go work on yourself, go cry yourself to sleep cursing the world because not everyone is equal and tomorrow go seek some help because your friends probably are not here.

[Jackk]

6 hours ago, Justin Schmidt said:

Simping, lol. Haven't walked in a Walmart in 20 years. I just don't blame others for my failings.

I know far more mom and pop places that accept welfare AND abuse their workers. People tend to get their comeuppance.

Yes everyone has free will where they work, unless you are in most African nations, china, north Korea.  Also, minimal skills, minimal pay. From a young age everyone has their own destiny in their hands. However. Not sure why you keep bringing your chip on your shoulder here. Go to therapy or check yourself into an institution,  you sound unhinged.

Yes quality is virtually the same for majority of all things in this country,  either they or the materials come from only a few places. No, not talking about old gramps tools. No not saying current quality is that good. Again, the consumers determined that.

Perhaps, stop worrying about others and go work on yourself, go cry yourself to sleep cursing the world because not everyone is equal and tomorrow go seek some help because your friends probably are not here.

 Maybe life is different from the vantage point of a big city apartment, but where I live none of the mom and pops have welfair folks, and all of them like their employer enough they just would deny that return.

 

 Go read posts from wall world workers, how commonly walmart abuses what’s part time status, or cuts hours to not pay bennies, etc etc 

 

 There is a reason if you go return a used tool they are ether ambivalent about it, or more than happy to take it.  If the people there don’t respect their employer some might call that a sign they are a predatory crap hole

 

 Quality of tools is all the same?  I’m guessing you have quite soft hands lol

 

 I’m quite happy in life, but I’m not dumb enough to not get who and what walmart is.

And yes I do think of others, though I don’t “worry”, that’s called not being a piece of crap as a human.

It does seem like you’re “worried” about poor Wally world lol   
 

 Good rule of thumb, don’t defend companies when their own “employees” won’t even defend them 

[LANCECASPER]

9 hours ago, Jackk said:

 Lol, I’m a great guy, leave stuff better than I found it

Not Mooneyspace

[Justin Schmidt]

3 hours ago, Jackk said:

 Maybe life is different from the vantage point of a big city apartment, but where I live none of the mom and pops have welfair folks, and all of them like their employer enough they just would deny that return.

 

 Go read posts from wall world workers, how commonly walmart abuses what’s part time status, or cuts hours to not pay bennies, etc etc 

 

 There is a reason if you go return a used tool they are ether ambivalent about it, or more than happy to take it.  If the people there don’t respect their employer some might call that a sign they are a predatory crap hole

 

 Quality of tools is all the same?  I’m guessing you have quite soft hands lol

 

 I’m quite happy in life, but I’m not dumb enough to not get who and what walmart is.

And yes I do think of others, though I don’t “worry”, that’s called not being a piece of crap as a human.

It does seem like you’re “worried” about poor Wally world lol   
 

 Good rule of thumb, don’t defend companies when their own “employees” won’t even defend them 

Sounds like they ended your employment, caught steeling. Door greeter that was allowing friends to steal.

I defend free market. Consumers determine they like Walmart,  even you using their lax return policy even if it immoral and unethical.  Qualities not befitting a pilot, which i actually doubt you are.

Again, everyone is free to work and shop where they please. Walmart is doing something correct. If one doesn't like their circumstances, change them. The world is rather large,  i have been all around her, experience you can probably not even dream of, my hands, mind and soul are just fine.

The reason they have a lax return policy is actually a few reasons. Keeping confrontation down, keeping customers,  the "amazon " effect (this one is changing), competition, A big one, it's in their cost model because it's difficult to stop. Yes, costs can be lower if it wasn't for immoral fools, same as stealing.

"Wardrobing" is actually a common cause of small business failure. Larger businesses can weather it, but does increase costs.

You say you are a good person, your self admitted behavior says otherwise.  Learn some ethics so it stops affecting others, like Walmart having to increase costs or fire people.

If you want a rental,  go to a place that rents, they are all over the place including friends. Souls have become black.

Now ho away and for the tie back to the actual thread. The assurance program was a poorly thought scheme.  Lasar has seemed to loose its way compared to previous owners. I hope they listen to the free market and devise a way to involve the owners of these beautiful machines to keep cost down, needed parts going. I said before an owners group that owns part of the equity or someway for owners to make opp.

[Jackk]

48 minutes ago, Justin Schmidt said:

Sounds like they ended your employment, caught steeling. Door greeter that was allowing friends to steal.

I defend free market. Consumers determine they like Walmart,  even you using their lax return policy even if it immoral and unethical.  Qualities not befitting a pilot, which i actually doubt you are.

Again, everyone is free to work and shop where they please. Walmart is doing something correct. If one doesn't like their circumstances, change them. The world is rather large,  i have been all around her, experience you can probably not even dream of, my hands, mind and soul are just fine.

The reason they have a lax return policy is actually a few reasons. Keeping confrontation down, keeping customers,  the "amazon " effect (this one is changing), competition, A big one, it's in their cost model because it's difficult to stop. Yes, costs can be lower if it wasn't for immoral fools, same as stealing.

"Wardrobing" is actually a common cause of small business failure. Larger businesses can weather it, but does increase costs.

You say you are a good person, your self admitted behavior says otherwise.  Learn some ethics so it stops affecting others, like Walmart having to increase costs or fire people.

If you want a rental,  go to a place that rents, they are all over the place including friends. Souls have become black.

Now ho away and for the tie back to the actual thread. The assurance program was a poorly thought scheme.  Lasar has seemed to loose its way compared to previous owners. I hope they listen to the free market and devise a way to involve the owners of these beautiful machines to keep cost down, needed parts going. I said before an owners group that owns part of the equity or someway for owners to make opp.

What are you on?

 

 Who ended what?  Uh, no.

 

If you defend free market why are you simping for walmart?  They have leveraged goverment to rig the market, did you miss the part about them having police standing guard while the same police forced other small honest shops to shut their doors???   That ain’t free market dude 

 

 Pick better damsels to defend 

[1980Mooney]

1 hour ago, Jackk said:

What are you on?

 

 Who ended what?  Uh, no.

 

If you defend free market why are you simping for walmart?  They have leveraged goverment to rig the market, did you miss the part about them having police standing guard while the same police forced other small honest shops to shut their doors???   That ain’t free market dude 

 

 Pick better damsels to defend 

Your comments make it sound like someone or something at Walmart hurt you deeply in the past that you have not yet processed and you continue to feel compelled to spew puss on everyone.  Did your family have a "small honest shop" shut down in bankruptcy because it could not compete? ...hence the comment about "same police forced other small honest shops to shut their doors" as in a bankruptcy auction "on the courthouse steps"?

Why are there always 3 blank lines between each of your comments? - are you some AI "antagonistic" BOT in development?